1. Cicero, Brutus, 287 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209| 287. at quid est tam fractum, tam minutum, tam in ipsa, quam tamen consequitur, concinnitate puerile? 'Atticorum similes esse volumus.' Optime; suntne igitur hi Attici oratores? 'Quis negare potest? Hos imitamur. imitamur G : imitatur H : imitantur FOBM2 ' Quo modo, qui quo quo modo BHM sunt et inter se dissimiles et aliorum? 'Thucydidem,' inquit, 'imitamur.' Optime, si historiam scribere, non si causas dicere cogitatis. Thucydides enim rerum gestarum pronuntiator sincerus et grandis etiam fuit; hoc forense concertatorium iudiciale non tractavit genus. Orationes autem quas interposuit—multae enim sunt—eas ego.laudare soleo; imitari neque possim si velim, nec velim fortasse si possim. Vt si quis Falerno vino delectetur, sed eo nec ita novo ut proximis consulibus natum velit, nec rursus ita vetere ut Opimium aut Anicium consulem quaerat—'atqui hae notae sunt optimae, optimae vulg. : optime L ' credo; sed nimia vetustas nec habet eam quam quaerimus suavitatem nec est iam sane tolerabilis— | 287. But what can be more insipid, more frivolous, or more puerile, than that studied elegance of expression which he actually acquired? 'But still we wish to resemble the Attic speakers.'- Do so, by all means. But were not those, then, true Attic speakers, we have just been mentioning? 'Nobody denies it; and these are the men we imitate.'- But how? when they are so very different, not only from each other, but from all the rest of their contemporaries? 'True; but Thucydides is our leading pattern.'- This too I can allow, if you design to compose histories, instead of pleading causes. For Thucydides was both an exact, and a stately historian: but he never intended to write models for conducting a judicial process. I will even go so far as to add, that I have often commended the speeches which he has inserted into his history in great numbers; though I must frankly own, that I neither could imitate them, if I would, nor indeed would, if I could; like a man who would neither choose his wine so new as to have been turned off in the preceding vintage, nor so excessively old as to date its age from the consulship of Opimius (121 B.C.) or Anicius (160 B.C.). 'The latter,' you'll say, 'bears the highest price.'- Very probable; but when it has too much age, it has lost that delicious flavour which pleases the palate, and, in my opinion, is scarcely tolerable. |
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2. Cicero, Brutus, 287 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209| 287. at quid est tam fractum, tam minutum, tam in ipsa, quam tamen consequitur, concinnitate puerile? 'Atticorum similes esse volumus.' Optime; suntne igitur hi Attici oratores? 'Quis negare potest? Hos imitamur. imitamur G : imitatur H : imitantur FOBM2 ' Quo modo, qui quo quo modo BHM sunt et inter se dissimiles et aliorum? 'Thucydidem,' inquit, 'imitamur.' Optime, si historiam scribere, non si causas dicere cogitatis. Thucydides enim rerum gestarum pronuntiator sincerus et grandis etiam fuit; hoc forense concertatorium iudiciale non tractavit genus. Orationes autem quas interposuit—multae enim sunt—eas ego.laudare soleo; imitari neque possim si velim, nec velim fortasse si possim. Vt si quis Falerno vino delectetur, sed eo nec ita novo ut proximis consulibus natum velit, nec rursus ita vetere ut Opimium aut Anicium consulem quaerat—'atqui hae notae sunt optimae, optimae vulg. : optime L ' credo; sed nimia vetustas nec habet eam quam quaerimus suavitatem nec est iam sane tolerabilis— | 287. But what can be more insipid, more frivolous, or more puerile, than that studied elegance of expression which he actually acquired? 'But still we wish to resemble the Attic speakers.'- Do so, by all means. But were not those, then, true Attic speakers, we have just been mentioning? 'Nobody denies it; and these are the men we imitate.'- But how? when they are so very different, not only from each other, but from all the rest of their contemporaries? 'True; but Thucydides is our leading pattern.'- This too I can allow, if you design to compose histories, instead of pleading causes. For Thucydides was both an exact, and a stately historian: but he never intended to write models for conducting a judicial process. I will even go so far as to add, that I have often commended the speeches which he has inserted into his history in great numbers; though I must frankly own, that I neither could imitate them, if I would, nor indeed would, if I could; like a man who would neither choose his wine so new as to have been turned off in the preceding vintage, nor so excessively old as to date its age from the consulship of Opimius (121 B.C.) or Anicius (160 B.C.). 'The latter,' you'll say, 'bears the highest price.'- Very probable; but when it has too much age, it has lost that delicious flavour which pleases the palate, and, in my opinion, is scarcely tolerable. |
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3. Ovid, Ars Amatoria, 3.79 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209| 3.79. Nostra sine auxilio fugiunt bona; carpite florem, | 3.79. Recanted after, and redress'd the wrong. |
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| 4. Juvenal, Satires, 5.122, 11.137 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 208 |
| 5. Persius, Satires, 5.151 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209 |
| 6. Persius, Saturae, 5.151 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209 |
7. Petronius Arbiter, Satyricon, 34, 59, 36 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •nan Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 208, 209 | 36. We came to such an evil entertainment rather depressed. "Now," said Trimalchio, "let us have dinner. This is sauce for the dinner." As he spoke, four dancers ran up in time with the music and took off the top part of the dish. Then we saw in the well of it fat fowls and sow's bellies, and in the middle a hare got up with wings to look like Pegasus. Four figures of Marsyas at the corners of the dish also caught the eye; they let a spiced sauce run from their wine-skins over the fishes, which swam about in a kind of tide-race. We all took up the clapping which the slaves started, and attacked these delicacies with hearty laughter. Trimalchio was delighted with the trick he had played us, and said, "Now, Carver." The man came up at once, and making flourishes in time with the music pulled the dish to pieces; you would have said that a gladiator in a chariot was fighting to the accompaniment of a water-organ. Still Trimalchio kept on in a soft voice, "Oh, Carver, Carver." I thought this word over and over again must be part of a joke, and I made bold to ask the man who sat next me this very question. He had seen performances of this kind more often. "You see the fellow who is carving his way through the meat? Well, his name is Carver. So whenever Trimalchio says the word, you have his name, and he has his orders." |
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8. Petronius Arbiter, Satyricon, 34, 59, 36 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •nan Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 208, 209 | 36. We came to such an evil entertainment rather depressed. "Now," said Trimalchio, "let us have dinner. This is sauce for the dinner." As he spoke, four dancers ran up in time with the music and took off the top part of the dish. Then we saw in the well of it fat fowls and sow's bellies, and in the middle a hare got up with wings to look like Pegasus. Four figures of Marsyas at the corners of the dish also caught the eye; they let a spiced sauce run from their wine-skins over the fishes, which swam about in a kind of tide-race. We all took up the clapping which the slaves started, and attacked these delicacies with hearty laughter. Trimalchio was delighted with the trick he had played us, and said, "Now, Carver." The man came up at once, and making flourishes in time with the music pulled the dish to pieces; you would have said that a gladiator in a chariot was fighting to the accompaniment of a water-organ. Still Trimalchio kept on in a soft voice, "Oh, Carver, Carver." I thought this word over and over again must be part of a joke, and I made bold to ask the man who sat next me this very question. He had seen performances of this kind more often. "You see the fellow who is carving his way through the meat? Well, his name is Carver. So whenever Trimalchio says the word, you have his name, and he has his orders." |
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| 9. Pliny The Elder, Natural History, 14.55, 14.94 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE) Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209 |
| 10. Epigraphy, Cil, a b c d\n0 1.2 2929 1.2 2929 1 2 2929 Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209 |
| 11. Epigraphy, Rigato And Mongardi (2016) 108, 1 Tagged with subjects: •homer, in petronius Found in books: Rohland, Carpe Diem: The Poetics of Presence in Greek and Latin Literature (2022) 209 |
