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Xenophon, Memoirs, 2.6.24


πῶς οὖν οὐκ εἰκὸς τοὺς καλοὺς κἀγαθοὺς καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τιμῶν μὴ μόνον ἀβλαβεῖς, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὠφελίμους ἀλλήλοις κοινωνοὺς εἶναι; οἱ μὲν γὰρ ἐπιθυμοῦντες ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι τιμᾶσθαί τε καὶ ἄρχειν, ἵνα ἐξουσίαν ἔχωσι χρήματά τε κλέπτειν καὶ ἀνθρώπους βιάζεσθαι καὶ ἡδυπαθεῖν, ἄδικοί τε καὶ πονηροὶ ἂν εἶεν καὶ ἀδύνατοι ἄλλῳ συναρμόσαι.Surely, then, it is likely that true gentlemen will share public honours too not only without harm to one another, but to their common benefit? For those who desire to win honour and to bear rule in their cities that they may have power to embezzle, to treat others with violence, to live in luxury, are bound to be unjust, unscrupulous, incapable of unity.


πῶς οὖν οὐκ εἰκὸς τοὺς καλοὺς κἀγαθοὺς καὶ τῶν πολιτικῶν τιμῶν μὴ μόνον ἀβλαβεῖς, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὠφελίμους ἀλλήλοις κοινωνοὺς εἶναι; οἱ μὲν γὰρ ἐπιθυμοῦντες ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι τιμᾶσθαί τε καὶ ἄρχειν, ἵνα ἐξουσίαν ἔχωσι χρήματά τε κλέπτειν καὶ ἀνθρώπους βιάζεσθαι καὶ ἡδυπαθεῖν, ἄδικοί τε καὶ πονηροὶ ἂν εἶεν καὶ ἀδύνατοι ἄλλῳ συναρμόσαι.Surely, then, it is likely that true gentlemen will share public honours too not only without harm to one another, but to their common benefit? For those who desire to win honour and to bear rule in their cities that they may have power to embezzle, to treat others with violence, to live in luxury, are bound to be unjust, unscrupulous, incapable of unity.


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1. Xenophon, On Household Management, 5.1 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

5.1. Now I tell you this, continued Socrates , because even the wealthiest cannot hold aloof from husbandry. For the pursuit of it is in some sense a luxury as well as a means of increasing one’s estate and of training the body in all that a free man should be able to do.
2. Xenophon, Symposium, 4.29-4.35, 4.41-4.42 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

4.29. But Callias now remarked, It is your turn, Charmides, to tell us why poverty makes you feel proud. Very well, said he. So much, at least, every one admits, that assurance is preferable to fear, freedom to slavery, being the recipient of attention to being the giver of it, the confidence of one’s country to its distrust. 4.30. Now, as for my situation in our commonwealth, when I was rich, I was, to begin with, in dread of some one’s digging through the wall of my house and not only getting my money but also doing me a mischief personally; in the next place, I knuckled down to the blackmailers, knowing well enough that my abilities lay more in the direction of suffering injury than of inflicting it on them. Then, too, I was for ever being ordered by the government to undergo some expenditure or other, and I never had the opportunity for foreign travel. 4.31. Now, however, since I am stripped of my property over the border and get no income from the property in Attica , and my household effects have been sold, I stretch out and enjoy a sound sleep, I have gained the confidence of the state, I am no longer subjected to threats but do the threatening now myself; and I have the free man’s privilege of going abroad or staying here at home as I please. People now actually rise from their seats in deference to me, and rich men obsequiously give me the right of way on the street. Charmides is apparently drawing the picture of the independent voter or member of a jury. 4.32. Now I am like a despot; then I was clearly a slave. Then I paid a revenue to the body politic; now I live on the tribute The poor relief. that the state pays to me. Moreover, people used to vilify me, when I was wealthy, for consorting with Socrates ; but now that I have got poor, no one bothers his head about it any longer. Again, when my property was large, either the government or fate was continually making me throw some of it to the winds; but now, far from throwing anything away (for I possess nothing), I am always in expectation of acquiring something. 4.33. Your prayers, also, said Callias, are doubtless to the effect that you may never be rich; and if you ever have a fine dream you sacrifice, do you not, to the deities who avert disasters? Oh, no! was the reply; I don’t go so far as that; I hazard the danger with great heroism if I have any expectation of getting something from some one. 4.34. Come, now, Antisthenes, said Socrates , take your turn and tell us how it is that with such slender means you base your pride on wealth. Because, sirs, I conceive that people’s wealth and poverty are to be found not in their real estate but in their hearts. 4.35. For I see many persons, not in office, who though possessors of large resources, yet look upon themselves as so poor that they bend their backs to any toil, any risk, if only they may increase their holdings; and again I know of brothers, with equal shares in their inheritance, where one of them has plenty, and more than enough to meet expenses, while the other is in utter want. 4.41. For whenever I feel an inclination to indulge my appetite, I do not buy fancy articles at the market (for they come high), but I draw on the store-house of my soul. And it goes a long way farther toward producing enjoyment when I take food only after awaiting the craving for it than when I partake of one of these fancy dishes, like this fine Thasian wine that fortune has put in my way and I am drinking without the promptings of thirst. 4.42. Yes, and it is natural that those whose eyes are set on frugality should be more honest than those whose eyes are fixed on money-making. For those who are most contented with what they have are least likely to covet what belongs to others.
3. Diodorus Siculus, Historical Library, 2.23.1 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

4. Ctesias, Fragments, 1



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antisthenes, and aristippus Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
antisthenes, and rejection of pleasure Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
antisthenes, xenophons portrayal of Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
antisthenes Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
aristippus of cyrene, antisthenes and Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
asceticsm Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
athenaeus (author), fragmentary writers and Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
athenaeus (author), framing language Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
athenaeus (author) Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
athens/athenians Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
cosmopolitanism, cynic Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
crates Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
ctesias of cnidus Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
ctesippus Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
decadence, processes of Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
diodorus siculus Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
diogenes of sinope xx, xxv, asceticism and self-sufficiency Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
diogenes of sinope xx, xxv, cosmopolitanism Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
diogenes of sinope xx, xxv Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
effeminacy Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
historiography, hellenistic Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
ninyas (king of assyria) Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
orientalism Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
persians Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
pleasure' Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
pleasure (ἡδονή\u200e), in antisthenes Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
polis, the, diogenes and city-lessness Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
poverty Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
practice (askēsis, meletē), in cynic thought Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
sardanapalus (king of assyria) Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
self-sufficiency (autarkeia), cynic Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
straton (king of sidon) Gorman, Gorman, Corrupting Luxury in Ancient Greek Literature (2014) 278
toils (ponoi), natural Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
volitional asceticism Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 663
wealth, in antisthenes Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333
xenophon, portrayal of antisthenes Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 333