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Thucydides, The History Of The Peloponnesian War, 6.12.2


εἴ τέ τις ἄρχειν ἄσμενος αἱρεθεὶς παραινεῖ ὑμῖν ἐκπλεῖν, τὸ ἑαυτοῦ μόνον σκοπῶν, ἄλλως τε καὶ νεώτερος ὢν ἔτι ἐς τὸ ἄρχειν, ὅπως θαυμασθῇ μὲν ἀπὸ τῆς ἱπποτροφίας, διὰ δὲ πολυτέλειαν καὶ ὠφεληθῇ τι ἐκ τῆς ἀρχῆς, μηδὲ τούτῳ ἐμπαράσχητε τῷ τῆς πόλεως κινδύνῳ ἰδίᾳ ἐλλαμπρύνεσθαι, νομίσατε δὲ τοὺς τοιούτους τὰ μὲν δημόσια ἀδικεῖν, τὰ δὲ ἴδια ἀναλοῦν, καὶ τὸ πρᾶγμα μέγα εἶναι καὶ μὴ οἷον νεωτέρῳ βουλεύσασθαί τε καὶ ὀξέως μεταχειρίσαι.And if there be any man here, overjoyed at being chosen to command, who urges you to make the expedition, merely for ends of his own—especially if he be still too young to command—who seeks to be admired for his stud of horses, but on account of its heavy expenses hopes for some profit from his appointment, do not allow such an one to maintain his private splendour at his country's risk, but remember that such persons injure the public fortune while they squander their own, and that this is a matter of importance, and not for a young man to decide or hastily to take in hand.


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1. Euripides, Suppliant Women, 305, 315-319, 633-637, 161 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

161. Thou didst favour courage instead of discretion. Adrastu
2. Isocrates, Orations, 16.32, 16.35 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

3. Plato, Gorgias, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

472a. for getting at the truth; since occasionally a man may actually be crushed by the number and reputation of the false witnesses brought against him. And so now you will find almost everybody, Athenians and foreigners, in agreement with you on the points you state, if you like to bring forward witnesses against the truth of what I say: if you like, there is Nicias, son of Niceratus, with his brothers, whose tripods are standing in a row in the Dionysium; or else Aristocrates, son of Scellias, whose goodly offering again is well known at Delphi ;
4. Plato, Symposium, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

217a. divine and golden, so perfectly fair and wondrous, that I simply had to do as Socrates bade me. And believing he had a serious affection for my youthful bloom, I supposed I had here a godsend and a rare stroke of luck, thinking myself free at any time by gratifying his desires to hear all that our Socrates knew; for I was enormously proud of my youthful charms. So with this design
5. Thucydides, The History of The Peloponnesian War, 1.1.1, 1.75.3, 1.76.2, 1.81.6, 1.84.4, 1.122.1, 2.63.2, 2.64.5, 4.59-4.65, 5.97, 6.9.3, 6.10-6.11, 6.10.5, 6.12.1, 6.13-6.18, 6.13.1, 6.15.2, 6.16.2-6.16.3, 6.17.1, 6.18.2-6.18.3, 6.18.6-6.18.7, 6.27-6.29, 6.53, 6.55, 6.60-6.61, 6.90.2-6.90.3 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

1.1.1. Thucydides, an Athenian, wrote the history of the war between the Peloponnesians and the Athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war, and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. This belief was not without its grounds. The preparations of both the combatants were in every department in the last state of perfection; and he could see the rest of the Hellenic race taking sides in the quarrel; those who delayed doing so at once having it in contemplation. 1.75.3. And the nature of the case first compelled us to advance our empire to its present height; fear being our principal motive, though honor and interest afterwards came in. 1.76.2. It follows that it was not a very wonderful action, or contrary to the common practice of mankind, if we did accept an empire that was offered to us, and refused to give it up under the pressure of three of the strongest motives, fear, honor, and interest. And it was not we who set the example, for it has always been the law that the weaker should be subject to the stronger. Besides, we believed ourselves to be worthy of our position, and so you thought us till now, when calculations of interest have made you take up the cry of justice—a consideration which no one ever yet brought forward to hinder his ambition when he had a chance of gaining anything by might. 1.81.6. For let us never be elated by the fatal hope of the war being quickly ended by the devastation of their lands. I fear rather that we may leave it as a legacy to our children; so improbable is it that the Athenian spirit will be the slave of their land, or Athenian experience be cowed by war. 1.84.4. In practice we always base our preparations against an enemy on the assumption that his plans are good; indeed, it is right to rest our hopes not on a belief in his blunders, but on the soundness of our provisions. Nor ought we to believe that there is much difference between man and man, but to think that the superiority lies with him who is reared in the severest school. 1.122.1. We have also other ways of carrying on the war, such as revolt of their allies, the surest method of depriving them of their revenues, which are the source of their strength, and establishment of fortified positions in their country, and various operations which cannot be foreseen at present. For war of all things proceeds least upon definite rules, but draws principally upon itself for contrivances to meet an emergency; and in such cases the party who faces the struggle and keeps his temper best meets with most security, and he who loses his temper about it with correspondent disaster. 2.63.2. Besides, to recede is no longer possible, if indeed any of you in the alarm of the moment has become enamored of the honesty of such an unambitious part. For what you hold is, to speak somewhat plainly, a tyranny; to take it perhaps was wrong, but to let it go is unsafe. 2.64.5. Hatred and unpopularity at the moment have fallen to the lot of all who have aspired to rule others; but where odium must be incurred, true wisdom incurs it for the highest objects. Hatred also is shortlived; but that which makes the splendor of the present and the glory of the future remains for ever unforgotten. 6.9.3. Against your character any words of mine would be weak enough; if I were to advise your keeping what you have got and not risking what is actually yours for advantages which are dubious in themselves, and which you may or may not attain. I will, therefore, content myself with showing that your ardour is out of season, and your ambition not easy of accomplishment. 6.10.5. A man ought, therefore, to consider these points, and not to think of running risks with a country placed so critically, or of grasping at another empire before we have secured the one we have already; for in fact the Thracian Chalcidians have been all these years in revolt from us without being yet subdued, and others on the continents yield us but a doubtful obedience. Meanwhile the Egestaeans, our allies, have been wronged, and we run to help them, while the rebels who have so long wronged us still wait for punishment. 6.12.1. We should also remember that we are but now enjoying some respite from a great pestilence and from war, to the no small benefit of our estates and persons, and that it is right to employ these at home on our own behalf, instead of using them on behalf of these exiles whose interest it is to lie as fairly as they can, who do nothing but talk themselves and leave the danger to others, and who if they succeed will show no proper gratitude, and if they fail will drag down their friends with them. 6.13.1. When I see such persons now sitting here at the side of that same individual and summoned by him, alarm seizes me; and I, in my turn, summon any of the older men that may have such a person sitting next him, not to let himself be shamed down, for fear of being thought a coward if he do not vote for war, but, remembering how rarely success is got by wishing and how often by forecast, to leave to them the mad dream of conquest, and as a true lover of his country, now threatened by the greatest danger in its history, to hold up his hand on the other side; to vote that the Siceliots be left in the limits now existing between us, limits of which no one can complain (the Ionian sea for the coasting voyage, and the Sicilian across the open main), to enjoy their own possessions and to settle their own quarrels; 6.15.2. By far the warmest advocate of the expedition was, however, Alcibiades, son of Clinias, who wished to thwart Nicias both as his political opponent and also because of the attack he had made upon him in his speech, and who was, besides, exceedingly ambitious of a command by which he hoped to reduce Sicily and Carthage, and personally to gain in wealth and reputation by means of his successes. 6.16.2. The Hellenes, after expecting to see our city ruined by the war, concluded it to be even greater than it really is, by reason of the magnificence with which I represented it at the Olympic games, when I sent into the lists seven chariots, a number never before entered by any private person, and won the first prize, and was second and fourth, and took care to have everything else in a style worthy of my victory. Custom regards such displays as honourable, and they cannot be made without leaving behind them an impression of power. 6.16.3. Again, any splendour that I may have exhibited at home in providing choruses or otherwise, is naturally envied by my fellow-citizens, but in the eyes of foreigners has an air of strength as in the other instance. And this is no useless folly, when a man at his own private cost benefits not himself only, but his city: 6.17.1. Thus did my youth and so-called monstrous folly find fitting arguments to deal with the power of the Peloponnesians, and by its ardour win their confidence and prevail. And do not be afraid of my youth now, but while I am still in its flower, and Nicias appears fortunate, avail yourselves to the utmost of the services of us both. 6.18.2. It is thus that empire has been won, both by us and by all others that have held it, by a constant readiness to support all, whether barbarians or Hellenes, that invite assistance; since if all were to keep quiet or to pick and choose whom they ought to assist, we should make but few new conquests, and should imperil those we have already won. Men do not rest content with parrying the attacks of a superior, but often strike the first blow to prevent the attack being made. 6.18.3. And we cannot fix the exact point at which our empire shall stop; we have reached a position in which we must not be content with retaining but must scheme to extend it, for, if we cease to rule others, we are in danger of being ruled ourselves. Nor can you look at inaction from the same point of view as others, unless you are prepared to change your habits and make them like theirs. 6.18.6. And do not let the do-nothing policy which Nicias advocates, or his setting of the young against the old, turn you from your purpose, but in the good old fashion by which our fathers, old and young together, by their united counsels brought our affairs to their present height, do you endeavour still to advance them; understanding that neither youth nor old age can do anything the one without the other, but that levity, sobriety, and deliberate judgment are strongest when united, and that, by sinking into inaction, the city, like everything else, will wear itself out, and its skill in everything decay; while each fresh struggle will give it fresh experience, and make it more used to defend itself not in word but in deed. 6.18.7. In short, my conviction is that a city not inactive by nature could not choose a quicker way to ruin itself than by suddenly adopting such a policy, and that the safest rule of life is to take one's character and institutions for better and for worse, and to live up to them as closely as one can.’ 6.90.2. We sailed to Sicily first to conquer, if possible, the Siceliots, and after them the Italiots also, and finally to assail the empire and city of Carthage . 6.90.3. In the event of all or most of these schemes succeeding, we were then to attack Peloponnese, bringing with us the entire force of the Hellenes lately acquired in those parts, and taking a number of barbarians into our pay, such as the Iberians and others in those countries, confessedly the most warlike known, and building numerous galleys in addition to those which we had already, timber being plentiful in Italy ; and with this fleet blockading Peloponnese from the sea and assailing it with our armies by land, taking some of the cities by storm, drawing works of circumvallation round others, we hoped without difficulty to effect its reduction, and after this to rule the whole of the Hellenic name.
6. Plutarch, Alcibiades, 16.3 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

16.3. And indeed, his voluntary contributions of money, his support of public exhibitions, his unsurpassed munificence towards the city, the glory of his ancestry, the power of his eloquence, the comeliness and vigor of his person, together with his experience and prowess in war, made the Athenians lenient and tolerant towards everything else; they were forever giving the mildest of names to his transgressions, calling them the product of youthful spirits and ambition.
7. Plutarch, Nicias, 3.2, 3.4-3.5 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)



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subject book bibliographic info
aethra Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
alcibiades, and athenian decision in favour of sicilian expedition Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
alcibiades, and desire Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 202
alcibiades, conciliatory personality of Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 202
alcibiades, in platos symposium Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 202
alcibiades, individualized representation of Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 202
alcibiades, vs. nicias Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190, 202
alcibiades Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152, 153; Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116; Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 3; Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
ambassadors Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
antigone Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
archidamus Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
architheôriai Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
aristotle Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
athenian character Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 207
athens, political myth of Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
athens and athenians, and fear Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
athletic victories, as benefactions Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
chorêgiai, chorêgoi Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
corinthians (speeches of), at congress of spartan allies Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
delos Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
eros Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
euboulia (intelligent deliberation) Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
eupsykhia (bravery) Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
euripides, phoenician women Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
fear, as motivation for sicilian expedition Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
festivals, of apollo (delos) Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
festivals Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
gymnasiarchiai Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
hegesipyle, mother of thucydides Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 3
hermocrates Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 172
irrational impulses, and human nature Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
irrational impulses, athenians beset by Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
isocrates Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
lampros/lamprotes Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
liturgies, in fifth-century athens Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152, 153
logos/logoi Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
megaloprepeia Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
money, for benefactions Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
munificence Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
nature (φύσις), vs. national character Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
near/far Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 169
nicias, and athenian decision for sicilian expedition Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
nicias, son of nicodemus Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
nicias Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152, 153; Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116; Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
oloros (father of th.) Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 3
olympia Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
olympic games Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
panhellenism Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
peace of nicias Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
peloponnesian war Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
pericles Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
philosophy, by women Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
plato Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
plutarch Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
politics, athens, political myth of' Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
processions Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
rhenea Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
sanctuary, of dionysus eleuthereus (athens) Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152
siceliots, sicilians Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 207
sicilian expedition Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 172, 207
sicily, athenian expedition against Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 169
sicily Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 152, 153; Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 207
sparta and spartans, and hope Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
suppliant women aithras intercession with theseus in Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
suppliant women war, deliberation of Pucci, Euripides' Revolution Under Cover: An Essay (2016) 116
syracuse and syracusans Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
theseus Sharrock and Keith, Maternal Conceptions in Classical Literature and Philosophy (2020) 222
thucydides, historian Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
thucydides, son of melesias, biographical tradition Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 3
thucydides, son of melesias, generalship Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 3
thucydides Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 169
topos/topoi Spatharas, Emotions, persuasion, and public discourse in classical Athens (2019) 62
triêrarchiai, triêrarchoi Gygax, Benefaction and Rewards in the Ancient Greek City: The Origins of Euergetism (2016) 153
φόβος, φοβερός, and φοβέομαι, vs. δέος Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
ἐλπίς (hope or expectation) and ἐλπίζω and εὔελπις, spartans affected by Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190
ἔρως, and sicilian expedition Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 190