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Thucydides, The History Of The Peloponnesian War, 4.108.4


καὶ γὰρ καὶ ἄδεια ἐφαίνετο αὐτοῖς, ἐψευσμένοις μὲν τῆς Ἀθηναίων δυνάμεως ἐπὶ τοσοῦτον ὅση ὕστερον διεφάνη, τὸ δὲ πλέον βουλήσει κρίνοντες ἀσαφεῖ ἢ προνοίᾳ ἀσφαλεῖ, εἰωθότες οἱ ἄνθρωποι οὗ μὲν ἐπιθυμοῦσιν ἐλπίδι ἀπερισκέπτῳ διδόναι, ὃ δὲ μὴ προσίενται λογισμῷ αὐτοκράτορι διωθεῖσθαι.Indeed there seemed to be no danger in so doing; their mistake in their estimate of the Athenian power was as great as that power afterwards turned out to be, and their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound prevision; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not fancy.


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3. Thucydides, The History of The Peloponnesian War, 1.10.2, 1.23.6, 1.139.4, 1.140.1, 2.42-2.43, 2.54.3, 2.62.5, 2.65, 2.65.4, 2.102.6, 3.2-3.3, 3.36.6, 3.45.5, 3.82-3.83, 3.89.5, 4.28.3, 4.121.1, 5.14.1-5.14.2, 5.103-5.104, 5.112.2, 5.113, 6.15.2-6.15.4, 6.55.3, 7.86.5, 8.1.4, 8.24.4, 8.97.2 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

1.10.2. For I suppose if Lacedaemon were to become desolate, and the temples and the foundations of the public buildings were left, that as time went on there would be a strong disposition with posterity to refuse to accept her fame as a true exponent of her power. And yet they occupy two-fifths of Peloponnese and lead the whole, not to speak of their numerous allies without. Still, as the city is neither built in a compact form nor adorned with magnificent temples and public edifices, but composed of villages after the old fashion of Hellas, there would be an impression of inadequacy. Whereas, if Athens were to suffer the same misfortune, I suppose that any inference from the appearance presented to the eye would make her power to have been twice as great as it is. 1.23.6. The real cause I consider to be the one which was formally most kept out of sight. The growth of the power of Athens, and the alarm which this inspired in Lacedaemon, made war inevitable. Still it is well to give the grounds alleged by either side, which led to the dissolution of the treaty and the breaking out of the war. 1.139.4. There were many speakers who came forward and gave their support to one side or the other, urging the necessity of war, or the revocation of the decree and the folly of allowing it to stand in the way of peace. Among them came forward Pericles, son of Xanthippus, the first man of his time at Athens, ablest alike in counsel and in action, and gave the following advice:— 1.140.1. ‘There is one principle, Athenians, which I hold to through everything, and that is the principle of no concession to the Peloponnesians. I know that the spirit which inspires men while they are being persuaded to make war, is not always retained in action; that as circumstances change, resolutions change. Yet I see that now as before the same, almost literally the same, counsel is demanded of me; and I put it to those of you, who are allowing yourselves to be persuaded, to support the national resolves even in the case of reverses, or to forfeit all credit for their wisdom in the event of success. For sometimes the course of things is as arbitrary as the plans of man; indeed this is why we usually blame chance for whatever does not happen as we expected. 2.54.3. So a dispute arose as to whether dearth and not death had not been the word in the verse; but at the present juncture, it was of course decided in favor of the latter; for the people made their recollection fit in with their sufferings. I fancy, however, that if another Dorian war should ever afterwards come upon us, and a dearth should happen to accompany it, the verse will probably be read accordingly. 2.62.5. And where the chances are the same, knowledge fortifies courage by the contempt which is its consequence, its trust being placed, not in hope, which is the prop of the desperate, but in a judgment grounded upon existing resources, whose anticipations are more to be depended upon. 2.65.4. Not long afterwards, however, according to the way of the multitude, they again elected him general and committed all their affairs to his hands, having now become less sensitive to their private and domestic afflictions, and understanding that he was the best man of all for the public necessities. 2.102.6. Perplexed at this, the story goes on to say, he at last observed this deposit of the Achelous, and considered that a place sufficient to support life upon, might have been thrown up during the long interval that had elapsed since the death of his mother and the beginning of his wanderings. Settling, therefore, in the district round Oeniadae, he founded a dominion, and left the country its name from his son Acar. Such is the story we have received concerning Alcmaeon. 3.36.6. An assembly was therefore at once called, and after much expression of opinion upon both sides, Cleon, son of Cleaenetus, the same who had carried the former motion of putting the Mitylenians to death, the most violent man at Athens, and at that time by far the most powerful with the commons, came forward again and spoke as follows:— 3.45.5. Hope also and cupidity, the one leading and the other following, the one conceiving the attempt, the other suggesting the facility of succeeding, cause the widest ruin, and, although invisible agents, are far stronger than the dangers that are seen. 3.89.5. The cause, in my opinion, of this phenomenon must be sought in the earthquake. At the point where its shock has been the most violent the sea is driven back, and suddenly recoiling with redoubled force, causes the inundation. Without an earthquake I do not see how such an accident could happen. 4.121.1. The Scionaeans were elated by his language, and even those who had at first disapproved of what was being done catching the general confidence, they determined on a vigorous conduct of the war, and welcomed Brasidas with all possible honours, publicly crowning him with a crown of gold as the liberator of Hellas ; while private persons crowded round him and decked him with garlands as though he had been an athlete. 5.14.1. Indeed it so happened that directly after the battle of Amphipolis and the retreat of Ramphias from Thessaly, both sides ceased to prosecute the war and turned their attention to peace. Athens had suffered severely at Delium, and again shortly afterwards at Amphipolis, and had no longer that confidence in her strength which had made her before refuse to treat, in the belief of ultimate victory which her success at the moment had inspired; 5.14.2. besides, she was afraid of her allies being tempted by her reverses to rebel more generally, and repented having let go the splendid opportunity for peace which the affair of Pylos had offered. 5.112.2. ‘Our resolution, Athenians, is the same as it was at first. We will not in a moment deprive of freedom a city that has been inhabited these seven hundred years; but we put our trust in the fortune by which the gods have preserved it until now, and in the help of men, that is, of the Lacedaemonians; and so we will try and save ourselves. 6.15.2. By far the warmest advocate of the expedition was, however, Alcibiades, son of Clinias, who wished to thwart Nicias both as his political opponent and also because of the attack he had made upon him in his speech, and who was, besides, exceedingly ambitious of a command by which he hoped to reduce Sicily and Carthage, and personally to gain in wealth and reputation by means of his successes. 6.15.3. For the position he held among the citizens led him to indulge his tastes beyond what his real means would bear, both in keeping horses and in the rest of his expenditure; and this later on had not a little to do with the ruin of the Athenian state. 6.15.4. Alarmed at the greatness of his license in his own life and habits, and of the ambition which he showed in all things soever that he undertook, the mass of the people set him down as a pretender to the tyranny, and became his enemies; and although publicly his conduct of the war was as good as could be desired individually, his habits gave offence to every one, and caused them to commit affairs to other hands, and thus before long to ruin the city. 7.86.5. This or the like was the cause of the death of a man who, of all the Hellenes in my time, least deserved such a fate, seeing that the whole course of his life had been regulated with strict attention to virtue. 8.1.4. In short, as is the way of a democracy, in the panic of the moment they were ready to be as prudent as possible. These resolves were at once carried into effect. 8.24.4. Indeed, after the Lacedaemonians, the Chians are the only people that I have known who knew how to be wise in prosperity, and who ordered their city the more securely the greater it grew. 8.97.2. or if he did should be held accursed. Many other assemblies were held afterwards, in which law-makers were elected and all other measures taken to form a constitution. It was during the first period of this constitution that the Athenians appear to have enjoyed the best government that they ever did, at least in my time. For the fusion of the high and the low was effected with judgment, and this was what first enabled the state to raise up her head after her manifold disasters.


Subjects of this text:

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acanthians Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 165
aidōs Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
alcibiades Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 165, 243
alcidas Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 466
ambition Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
choice (primarily in thucydides), and freedom Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
choice (primarily in thucydides), and rationality Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
cleon Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 143
cnemos Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 466
corcyra Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 238
desire, and human nature Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
diodotus Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41, 143
egesteans Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 165
herms Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 238
hope, ambivalent concept Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
hope, and eros Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
individuals, withstanding necessity Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
invisible things (τὰ ἀφανῆ) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
irrational impulses, and choice Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
irrational impulses, and human nature Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
melian dialogue Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 143
pain (mental and physical) Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
pericles, and agency Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
plague' Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 243
politics, hope in greek and roman Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 143
present things / circumstances (τὰ παρόντα, τὰ ὑπάρχοντα, τὰ πράγματα etc.) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
promatheia Kazantzidis and Spatharas, Hope in Ancient Literature, History, and Art (2018) 41
scione Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 466
sicily Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 165, 238, 243
thrace Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 466
thucydides, son of melesias, archaeology Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 243
thucydides, son of melesias, autopsy Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 243
thucydides, son of melesias, causes, causality Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 243
thucydides, son of melesias, digressions Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 243
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω), as choice Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω), vs. external circumstances Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω), vs. passion Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
ἐλπίς (hope or expectation) and ἐλπίζω and εὔελπις, and thracian allies Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295
ὀργή and ὀργίζομαι Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 295