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Thucydides, The History Of The Peloponnesian War, 2.40.2

ἔνι τε τοῖς αὐτοῖς οἰκείων ἅμα καὶ πολιτικῶν ἐπιμέλεια, καὶ ἑτέροις πρὸς ἔργα τετραμμένοις τὰ πολιτικὰ μὴ ἐνδεῶς γνῶναι: μόνοι γὰρ τόν τε μηδὲν τῶνδε μετέχοντα οὐκ ἀπράγμονα, ἀλλ’ ἀχρεῖον νομίζομεν, καὶ οἱ αὐτοὶ ἤτοι κρίνομέν γε ἢ ἐνθυμούμεθα ὀρθῶς τὰ πράγματα, οὐ τοὺς λόγους τοῖς ἔργοις βλάβην ἡγούμενοι, ἀλλὰ μὴ προδιδαχθῆναι μᾶλλον λόγῳ πρότερον ἢ ἐπὶ ἃ δεῖ ἔργῳ ἐλθεῖν. Our public men have, besides politics, their private affairs to attend to, and our ordinary citizens, though occupied with the pursuits of industry, are still fair judges of public matters; for, unlike any other nation, regarding him who takes no part in these duties not as unambitious but as useless, we Athenians are able to judge at all events if we cannot originate, and instead of looking on discussion as a stumbling-block in the way of action, we think it an indispensable preliminary to any wise action at all.

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1. Aristophanes, Women of The Assembly, 360, 359 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 359. μόνον τὸ λυποῦν ἐστιν, ἀλλ' ὅταν φάγω
2. Aristophanes, Frogs, 83 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 83. ̓Αγάθων δὲ ποῦ 'στιν; ἀπολιπών μ' ἀποίχεται
3. Euripides, Ion, 632 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)
4. Herodotus, Histories, 9.16.4-9.16.5 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE) 9.16.4. Marvelling at these words, Thersander answered: “Must you not then tell this to Mardonius and those honorable Persians who are with him?” “Sir,” said the Persian, “that which a god wills to send no man can turn aside, for even truth sometimes finds no one to believe it. 9.16.5. What I have said is known to many of us Persians, but we follow, in the bonds of necessity. It is the most hateful thing for a person to have much knowledge and no power.” This tale I heard from Thersander of Orchomenus who told me in addition that he had straightway told this to others before the battle of Plataea.
5. Plato, Gorgias, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 471a. Pol. Then this Archelaus, on your statement, is wretched? Soc. Yes, my friend, supposing he is unjust. Pol. Well, but how can he be other than unjust? He had no claim to the throne which he now occupies, being the son of a woman who was a slave of Perdiccas’ brother Alcetas, and in mere justice he was Alcetas’ slave; and if he wished to do what is just, he would be serving Alcetas and would be happy, by your account; but, as it is, he has become a prodigy of wretchedness
6. Thucydides, The History of The Peloponnesian War, 2.37.1, 2.40.1, 2.40.3, 2.43.1, 2.62.5, 3.37.3, 6.15.2 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 2.37.1. Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighboring states; we are rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration favors the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if to social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of his condition. 2.40.1. We cultivate refinement without extravagance and knowledge without effeminacy; wealth we employ more for use than for show, and place the real disgrace of poverty not in owning to the fact but in declining the struggle against it. 2.40.3. Again, in our enterprises we present the singular spectacle of daring and deliberation, each carried to its highest point, and both united in the same persons; although usually decision is the fruit of ignorance, hesitation of reflection. But the palm of courage will surely be adjudged most justly to those, who best know the difference between hardship and pleasure and yet are never tempted to shrink from danger. 2.43.1. So died these men as became Athenians. You, their survivors, must determine to have as unaltering a resolution in the field, though you may pray that it may have a happier issue. And not contented with ideas derived only from words of the advantages which are bound up with the defence of your country, though these would furnish a valuable text to a speaker even before an audience so alive to them as the present, you must yourselves realize the power of Athens, and feed your eyes upon her from day to day, till love of her fills your hearts; and then when all her greatness shall break upon you, you must reflect that it was by courage, sense of duty, and a keen feeling of honor in action that men were enabled to win all this, and that no personal failure in an enterprise could make them consent to deprive their country of their valor, but they laid it at her feet as the most glorious contribution that they could offer. 2.62.5. And where the chances are the same, knowledge fortifies courage by the contempt which is its consequence, its trust being placed, not in hope, which is the prop of the desperate, but in a judgment grounded upon existing resources, whose anticipations are more to be depended upon. 3.37.3. The most alarming feature in the case is the constant change of measures with which we appear to be threatened, and our seeming ignorance of the fact that bad laws which are never changed are better for a city than good ones that have no authority; that unlearned loyalty is more serviceable than quick-witted insubordination; and that ordinary men usually manage public affairs better than their more gifted fellows. 6.15.2. By far the warmest advocate of the expedition was, however, Alcibiades, son of Clinias, who wished to thwart Nicias both as his political opponent and also because of the attack he had made upon him in his speech, and who was, besides, exceedingly ambitious of a command by which he hoped to reduce Sicily and Carthage, and personally to gain in wealth and reputation by means of his successes.

Subjects of this text:

subject	book bibliographic info
agathon	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
apragmosyne,of ion	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
archelaus	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
aristogeiton	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
aristophanes	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
assembly,,athenian (ekklesia)	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
athenian exceptionalism	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
athens,and identity	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
athens,its ideology of openness	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
athens,purity of,problematic	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
athens	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
autochthony,athenian	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
blepyrus	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
boundaries,relation to,of ion	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
city,‚learning city	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
cleon	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
comedy,old	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
commoners	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
courts	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
deception,and deliberation	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
deception,and democratic constitution	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
deception,opposed to hoplitism	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
democracy,ancient and modern,,direct	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
democracy,ancient and modern	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
democracy,athenian,and noble lies	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
democracy,athenian,thucydides depiction of	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
demokratia	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
demos (damos),,limitations placed on	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
demosthenes,on democracy and oligarchy	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
demosthenes,on logocentricity	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
demosthenes	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
dialectic/dialogue	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
discrepancy,between words and deeds	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
epitaph	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
erastes/eromenos	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
eros	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
eryximachus	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
farrar,cynthia,vii	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
finley,m. i.	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
greece/greeks	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
gregory of nazianzus	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
harmodius	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
heresy /\u2009heretics	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
herodotus,nature of time and language	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
hoplites,ideology of	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
hoplites,tactics opposed to deception	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
ideology,,democratic	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
ideology	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
ion,apolitical	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
ion	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
justice	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
language,human	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
laslett,peter	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
law	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
loraux,n.	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
macedonia	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
mardonius	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
methodology	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
noble lie	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
nostalgia	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
pagan / paganism	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
paideia	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
participation in government,,by all citizens	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
participation in government	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
paul	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
peloponnesian war	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
pericles,and balance	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
pericles,antitheses involving γνώμη in speeches of	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
pericles,on deceit,on deliberation	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
pericles,on deceit	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26
pericles	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
persian wars	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
plataea,battle of	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
plato	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
plutarch,on the malice of herodotus	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
politeia	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
present things / circumstances (τὰ παρόντα,τὰ ὑπάρχοντα,τὰ πράγματα etc.)	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
purity,in athens,athenian'	Meinel (2015), Pollution and Crisis in Greek Tragedy, 235
representation	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
rhetoric	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
rule of law	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
school,rhetorical schools	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
socrates	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
sources	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
student,student life	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
thucydides,funeral speech	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 26, 167
thucydides,on mytilenean debate	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
thucydides	Raaflaub Ober and Wallace (2007), Origins of Democracy in Ancient Greece, 161
time	Kingsley Monti and Rood (2022), The Authoritative Historian: Tradition and Innovation in Ancient Historiography, 137
topoi,and interplay with creative strategy	Hesk (2000), Deception and Democracy in Classical Athens, 167
tyranny	Kirichenko (2022), Greek Literature and the Ideal: The Pragmatics of Space from the Archaic to the Hellenistic Age, 127
university	Tanaseanu-Döbler and von Alvensleben (2020), Athens II: Athens in Late Antiquity, 176
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω),and antithesis	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω),struggling with contrary impulses	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω),vs. external circumstances	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
γνώμη (and γιγνώσκω),vs. passion	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
τύχη (chance,fortune),and pericles	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
ἐλπίς (hope or expectation) and ἐλπίζω and εὔελπις,in pericles speeches	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286
ἔργον,vs. λόγος	Joho (2022), Style and Necessity in Thucydides, 286