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Thucydides, The History Of The Peloponnesian War, 1.78.4


ἡμεῖς δὲ ἐν οὐδεμιᾷ πω τοιαύτῃ ἁμαρτίᾳ ὄντες οὔτ’ αὐτοὶ οὔθ’ ὑμᾶς ὁρῶντες λέγομεν ὑμῖν, ἕως ἔτι αὐθαίρετος ἀμφοτέροις ἡ εὐβουλία, σπονδὰς μὴ λύειν μηδὲ παραβαίνειν τοὺς ὅρκους, τὰ δὲ διάφορα δίκῃ λύεσθαι κατὰ τὴν ξυνθήκην. εἰ δὲ μή, θεοὺς τοὺς ὁρκίους μάρτυρας ποιούμενοι πειρασόμεθα ἀμύνεσθαι πολέμου ἄρχοντας ταύτῃ ᾗ ἂν ὑφηγῆσθε.’But we are not yet by any means so misguided, nor, so far as we can see, are you; accordingly, while it is still open to us both to choose aright, we bid you not to dissolve the treaty, or to break your oaths, but to have our differences settled by arbitration according to our agreement. Or else we take the gods who heard the oaths to witness, and if you begin hostilities, whatever line of action you choose, we will try not to be behindhand in repelling you.’


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1. Thucydides, The History of The Peloponnesian War, 1.23.4, 1.23.6, 1.72.1, 1.73.3, 1.75.2, 1.76.3, 1.84.3-1.84.4, 1.85.2, 1.88, 1.139.1, 1.144.2, 1.145, 3.45.4, 4.17.4, 4.21.3, 6.93.1-6.93.2, 7.18.2 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

1.23.4. which was begun by the Athenians and Peloponnesians by the dissolution of the thirty years' truce made after the conquest of Euboea . 1.23.6. The real cause I consider to be the one which was formally most kept out of sight. The growth of the power of Athens, and the alarm which this inspired in Lacedaemon, made war inevitable. Still it is well to give the grounds alleged by either side, which led to the dissolution of the treaty and the breaking out of the war. 1.72.1. Such were the words of the Corinthians. There happened to be Athenian envoys present at Lacedaemon on other business. On hearing the speeches they thought themselves called upon to come before the Lacedaemonians. Their intention was not to offer a defence on any of the charges which the cities brought against them, but to show on a comprehensive view that it was not a matter to be hastily decided on, but one that demanded further consideration. There was also a wish to call attention to the great power of Athens, and to refresh the memory of the old and enlighten the ignorance of the young, from a notion that their words might have the effect of inducing them to prefer tranquillity to war. 1.73.3. However, the story shall be told not so much to deprecate hostility as to testify against it, and to show, if you are so ill-advised as to enter into a struggle with Athens, what sort of an antagonist she is likely to prove. 1.75.2. That empire we acquired by no violent means, but because you were unwilling to prosecute to its conclusion the war against the barbarian, and because the allies attached themselves to us and spontaneously asked us to assume the command. 1.76.3. And praise is due to all who, if not so superior to human nature as to refuse dominion, yet respect justice more than their position compels them to do. 1.84.3. We are both warlike and wise, and it is our sense of order that makes us so. We are warlike, because self-control contains honor as a chief constituent, and honor bravery. And we are wise, because we are educated with too little learning to despise the laws, and with too severe a self-control to disobey them, and are brought up not to be too knowing in useless matters,—such as the knowledge which can give a specious criticism of an enemy's plans in theory, but fails to assail them with equal success in practice,—but are taught to consider that the schemes of our enemies are not dissimilar to our own, and that the freaks of chance are not determinable by calculation. 1.84.4. In practice we always base our preparations against an enemy on the assumption that his plans are good; indeed, it is right to rest our hopes not on a belief in his blunders, but on the soundness of our provisions. Nor ought we to believe that there is much difference between man and man, but to think that the superiority lies with him who is reared in the severest school. 1.85.2. As for the Athenians, send to them on the matter of Potidaea, send on the matter of the alleged wrongs of the allies, particularly as they are prepared with legal satisfaction; and to proceed against one who offers arbitration as against a wrongdoer, law forbids. Meanwhile do not omit preparation for war. This decision will be the best for yourselves, the most terrible to your opponents.’ 1.139.1. To return to the Lacedaemonians. The history of their first embassy, the injunctions which it conveyed, and the rejoinder which it provoked, concerning the expulsion of the accursed persons, have been related already. It was followed by a second, which ordered Athens to raise the siege of Potidaea, and to respect the independence of Aegina . Above all, it gave her most distinctly to understand that war might be prevented by the revocation of the Megara decree, excluding the Megarians from the use of Athenian harbors and of the market of Athens . 1.144.2. But these matters shall be explained in another speech, as events require; for the present dismiss these men with the answer that we allow Megara the use of our market and harbours, when the Lacedaemonians suspend their alien acts in favour of us and our allies, there being nothing in the treaty to prevent either one or the other: that we will leave the cities independent, if independent we found them when we made the treaty, and when the Lacedaemonians grant to their cities an independence not involving subservience to Lacedaemonian interest, but such as each severally may desire: that we are willing to give the legal satisfaction which our agreements specify, and that we shall not commence hostilities, but shall resist those who do commence them. This is an answer agreeable at once to the rights and the dignity of Athens . 3.45.4. Either then some means of terror more terrible than this must be discovered, or it must be owned that this restraint is useless; and that as long as poverty gives men the courage of necessity, or plenty fills them with the ambition which belongs to insolence and pride, and the other conditions of life remain each under the thraldom of some fatal and master passion, so long will the impulse never be wanting to drive men into danger. 4.17.4. You can now, if you choose, employ your present success to advantage, so as to keep what you have got and gain honor and reputation besides, and you can avoid the mistake of those who meet with an extraordinary piece of good fortune, and are led on by hope to grasp continually at something further, through having already succeeded without expecting it. 4.21.3. Foremost to encourage them in this policy was Cleon, son of Cleaenetus, a popular leader of the time and very powerful with the multitude, who persuaded them to answer as follows: First, the men in the island must surrender themselves and their arms and be brought to Athens . Next; the Lacedaemonians must restore Nisaea, Pegae, Troezen, and Achaia, all places acquired not by arms, but by the previous convention, under which they had been ceded by Athens herself at a moment of disaster, when a truce was more necessary to her than at present. This done they might take back their men, and make a truce for as long as both parties might agree. 6.93.1. Such were the words of Alcibiades. The Lacedaemonians, who had themselves before intended to march against Athens, but were still waiting and looking about them, at once became much more in earnest when they received this particular information from Alcibiades, and considered that they had heard it from the man who best knew the truth of the matter. 6.93.2. Accordingly they now turned their attention to the fortifying of Decelea and sending immediate aid to the Sicilians; and naming Gylippus, son of Cleandridas, to the command of the Syracusans, bade him consult with that people and with the Corinthians and arrange for succors reaching the island, in the best and speediest way possible under the circumstances. 7.18.2. But the Lacedaemonians derived most encouragement from the belief that Athens, with two wars on her hands, against themselves and against the Siceliots, would be more easy to subdue, and from the conviction that she had been the first to infringe the truce. In the former war, they considered, the offence had been more on their own side, both on account of the entrance of the Thebans into Plataea in time of peace, and also of their own refusal to listen to the Athenian offer of arbitration, in spite of the clause in the former treaty that where arbitration should be offered there should be no appeal to arms. For this reason they thought that they deserved their misfortunes, and took to heart seriously the disaster at Pylos and whatever else had befallen them.
2. Xenophon, The Persian Expedition, 3.1.42 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

3.1.42. For you understand, I am sure, that it is neither numbers nor strength which wins victories in war; but whichever of the two sides it be whose troops, by the blessing of the gods, advance to the attack with stouter hearts, against those troops their adversaries generally refuse to stand.


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abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, and dative of person Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, and domit participle (ab-urbe-condita construction) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 161
abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, and passive phrases / shades of meaning Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92, 169
abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, as subjects Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, processes suggested by Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
abstract nominal phrases in thucydides, vs. active / personal phrasing Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
achaeans Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
alcibiades Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
archidamus Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169
articular infinitive, domit participle equivalent to Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 161
articular infinitive Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
athenians at sparta (speech of), and depersonalizing style Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
athenians at sparta (speech of), and greatest things (fear, honour, and advantage) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
athenians at sparta (speech of), apologetic of athens Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
athenians at sparta (speech of), on necessity of athenian empire Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
athens and athenians, exposed to forces beyond their control Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
athens and athenians, vs. spartans Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
causation in thucydides, and truest cause of peloponnesian war Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 161, 166
choice (primarily in thucydides), impairment / erasure of Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
choice (primarily in thucydides), scope for Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169, 174
dionysius of halicarnassus, on ἀληθεστάτη πρόφασις Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
necessity (in thucydides), and circumstances / material conditions / states of affairs Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92, 169, 174
necessity (in thucydides), and nature (φύσις) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
necessity (in thucydides), and processes Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
necessity (in thucydides), of athenian empire Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
necessity (in thucydides), pull exerted by Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
peace of nicias Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
peloponnesian war, choice erased by Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
peloponnesian war, necessity of Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
plague' Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
plataea Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
quest for power, as necessity Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
sicilian expedition Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
sparta and spartans, and fear Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 161, 169
sparta and spartans, exposed to forces beyond their control Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169
sparta and spartans, reopening peloponnesian war Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166
sparta and spartans, responsibility for peloponnesian war Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 166, 169
spartans at athens (speech of), and diodotus Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174
spartans at athens (speech of), on dangers of good fortune Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169
spartans at athens (speech of), on scope for choice Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169, 174
success, resulting in loss of control Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169
success, unexpected Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169
thirty years peace Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427, 498
thucydides, son of melesias, audience, reader Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 498
thucydides, son of melesias, causes, causality Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 498
thucydides, son of melesias, digressions Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 498
thucydides, son of melesias, documents, letters, treaties etc. Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 498
thucydides, son of melesias, historical accuracy Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 498
xenophon Rengakos and Tsakmakis, Brill's Companion to Thucydides (2006) 427
πάσχω Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 169, 174
χράομαι (in sense experience, suffer, be subject to) Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
ἀνάγκη, meaning of…in thucydides Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 92
ἀνήκεστος Joho, Style and Necessity in Thucydides (2022) 174