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Seneca The Younger, Letters, 83.17-83.18


nanThis, of course, is what commonly happens, but so does this, – that we take counsel on serious subjects with those whom we know to be in the habit of drinking freely. Therefore this proposition, which is laid down in the guise of a defence of Zeno's syllogism, is false, – that secrets are not entrusted to the habitual drunkard. How much better it is to arraign drunkenness frankly and to expose its vices! For even the middling good man avoids them, not to mention the perfect sage, who is satisfied with slaking his thirst; the sage, even if now and then he is led on by good cheer which, for a friend's sake, is carried somewhat too far, yet always stops short of drunkenness.


nanWe shall investigate later the question whether the mind of the sage is upset by too much wine and commits follies like those of the toper; but meanwhile, if you wish to prove that a good man ought not to get drunk, why work it out by logic? Show how base it is to pour down more liquor than one can carry, and not to know the capacity of one's own stomach; show how often the drunkard does things which make him blush when he is sober; state that drunkenness is nothing but a condition of insanity purposely assumed. Prolong the drunkard's condition to several days; will you have any doubt about his madness? Even as it is, the madness is no less; it merely lasts a shorter time.


Intertexts (texts cited often on the same page as the searched text):

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1. Polybius, Histories, 15.25.22 (2nd cent. BCE - 2nd cent. BCE)

15.25.22.  He himself spent the greater part of the day and night in drinking and the debauchery which commonly accompanies it, sparing neither women in the flower of their age nor brides nor virgins, and all this he did with the most odious ostentation.
2. Lucretius Carus, On The Nature of Things, 3.307-3.322 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

3. Seneca The Younger, Letters, 83.9-83.10, 83.12-83.14, 83.18, 83.27 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

4. Pausanias, Description of Greece, 1.25.1 (2nd cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

1.25.1. Such were the fates I saw befall the locusts. On the Athenian Acropolis is a statue of Pericles, the son of Xanthippus, and one of Xanthippus him self, who fought against the Persians at the naval battle of Mycale. 479 B.C. But that of Pericles stands apart, while near Xanthippus stands Anacreon of Teos, the first poet after Sappho of Lesbos to devote himself to love songs, and his posture is as it were that of a man singing when he is drunk. Deinomenes fl. 400 B.C. made the two female figures which stand near, Io, the daughter of Inachus, and Callisto, the daughter of Lycaon, of both of whom exactly the same story is told, to wit, love of Zeus, wrath of Hera, and metamorphosis, Io becoming a cow and Callisto a bear.
5. Stoic School, Stoicor. Veter. Fragm., 1.229



Subjects of this text:

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abstinence (of alcohol) Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
athenaeus Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
atomism Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
banquets Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
death/dying Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
diogenes of babylon Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
disposition (διάθεσις) Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
intoxication, heating effect Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
intoxication Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191, 193
kindness Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
lucian Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
lucretius Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
maximalists Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191, 193
philo of alexandria Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
plato Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
plutarch Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
posidonius Geljon and Runia, Philo of Alexandria: On Planting: Introduction, Translation and Commentary (2019) 295
sagehood Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
seneca Geljon and Runia, Philo of Alexandria: On Planting: Introduction, Translation and Commentary (2019) 295; Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
stoa/stoic/stoicism, on drunkenness Geljon and Runia, Philo of Alexandria: On Planting: Introduction, Translation and Commentary (2019) 295
stoic Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
stoics Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191, 193
syllogism' Geljon and Runia, Philo of Alexandria: On Planting: Introduction, Translation and Commentary (2019) 295
vice Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 191
xenophon Nijs, The Epicurean Sage in the Ethics of Philodemus (2023) 193
zeno Geljon and Runia, Philo of Alexandria: On Planting: Introduction, Translation and Commentary (2019) 295