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Plato, Republic, 600a


nanis there any tradition of a war in Homer's time that was well conducted by his command or counsel?”“None.”“Well, then, as might be expected of a man wise in practical affairs, are many and ingenious inventions for the arts and business of life reported of Homer as they are of Thales the Milesian and Anacharsis the Scythian?”“Nothing whatever of the sort.”“Well, then, if no public service is credited to him, is Homer reported while he lived to have been a guide in education to men who took pleasure in associating with him


nanis there any tradition of a war in Homer’s time that was well conducted by his command or counsel? None. Well, then, as might be expected of a man wise in practical affairs, are many and ingenious inventions for the arts and business of life reported of Homer as they are of Thales the Milesian and Anacharsis the Scythian? Nothing whatever of the sort. Well, then, if no public service is credited to him, is Homer reported while he lived to have been a guide in education to men who took pleasure in associating with him


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1. Isocrates, Busiris, 28 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

2. Philolaus of Croton, Fragments, b1 (5th cent. BCE

3. Plato, Phaedo, 61e (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

61e. as I am going to the other world, to tell stories about the life there and consider what we think about it; for what else could one do in the time between now and sunset? Why in the world do they say that it is not permitted to kill oneself, Socrates? I heard Philolaus, when he was living in our city, say the same thing you just said, and I have heard it from others, too, that one must not do this; but I never heard anyone say anything definite about it.
4. Plato, Philebus, 16c10, 16c5, 16c6, 16c7, 16c8, 16c9, 16c (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

16c. Soc. One which is easy to point out, but very difficult to follow for through it all the inventions of art have been brought to light. See this is the road I mean. Pro. Go on what is it? Soc. A gift of gods to men, as I believe, was tossed down from some divine source through the agency of a Prometheus together with a gleaming fire; and the ancients, who were better than we and lived nearer the gods, handed down the tradition that all the things which are ever said to exist are sprung from one and many and have inherent in them the finite and the infinite. This being the way in which these things are arranged
5. Plato, Republic, 530d, 531c, 600b, 530c (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

530c. we will let be the things in the heavens, if we are to have a part in the true science of astronomy and so convert to right use from uselessness that natural indwelling intelligence of the soul.” “You enjoin a task,” he said, “that will multiply the labor of our present study of astronomy many times.” “And I fancy,” I said, “that our other injunctions will be of the same kind if we are of any use as lawgivers.
6. Plato, Symposium, 209a (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

209a. But pregcy of soul—for there are persons, she declared, who in their souls still more than in their bodies conceive those things which are proper for soul to conceive and bring forth; and what are those things? Prudence, and virtue in general; and of these the begetters are all the poets and those craftsmen who are styled inventors. Now by far the highest and fairest part of prudence is that which concerns the regulation of cities and habitations; it is called sobriety
7. Archytas Amphissensis, Fragments, b1 (3rd cent. BCE - 3rd cent. BCE)

8. Diogenes Laertius, Lives of The Philosophers, 8.34 (3rd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

8.34. According to Aristotle in his work On the Pythagoreans, Pythagoras counselled abstinence from beans either because they are like the genitals, or because they are like the gates of Hades . . . as being alone unjointed, or because they are injurious, or because they are like the form of the universe, or because they belong to oligarchy, since they are used in election by lot. He bade his disciples not to pick up fallen crumbs, either in order to accustom them not to eat immoderately, or because connected with a person's death; nay, even, according to Aristophanes, crumbs belong to the heroes, for in his Heroes he says:Nor taste ye of what falls beneath the board !Another of his precepts was not to eat white cocks, as being sacred to the Month and wearing suppliant garb – now supplication ranked with things good – sacred to the Month because they announce the time of day; and again white represents the nature of the good, black the nature of evil. Not to touch such fish as were sacred; for it is not right that gods and men should be allotted the same things, any more than free men and slaves.
9. Proclus, Theologia Platonica ( ), 1.5 (5th cent. CE - 5th cent. CE)



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subject book bibliographic info
account Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
acusmata (pythagorean) Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 700
alcmaeon Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
anacharsis Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239
apology Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
archytas Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239, 323
archytas of tarentum Bryan, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
aristotle Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
aristoxenus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
benson, h. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239
biography, of pythagoras Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
burkert, w. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
charondas Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239
companion (hetaira) Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
creophylus Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
diogenes laertius, as source for pythagoreanism Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 700
diotima Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
echecrates Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
educators, greek Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
empedocles Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
eurytus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
goodness Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
gorgias Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
hackforth, r. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
hesiod Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
hippasus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
hippon Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
homer Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239; Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
household (oikos) Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
huffman, c.a. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
iamblichus, as source for pythagoreanism Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 700
ignorance Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
image Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
ion Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
kahn, c.h. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
kraut, r. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239
lloyd, g.e.r. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
lycurgus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239; Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
neoplatonists Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
philolaus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239, 274, 323; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
phronēsis (practical wisdom) Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
plato Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239, 274, 323
poetry Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
porphyry, as source for pythagoreanism Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 700
practice (epitēdeuein) Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
proclus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
pythagoras Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239, 274, 323; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
pythagoreanism xxv Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 700
pythagoreans, writings of Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 163
semblances of goodness Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
simmias Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
socrates Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239, 323
solon Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239; Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
symposium Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
syrianus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 274
theodorus of cyrene Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
timaeus Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
wisdom Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 346
zhmud, l.' Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 323
zhmud, l. Cornelli, In Search of Pythagoreanism: Pythagoreanism as an Historiographical Category (2013) 239