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Plato, Phaedrus, 274b


πάσχειν ὅτι ἄν τῳ συμβῇ παθεῖν. ΦΑΙ. καὶ μάλα. ΣΩ. οὐκοῦν τὸ μὲν τέχνης τε καὶ ἀτεχνίας λόγων πέρι ἱκανῶς ἐχέτω. ΦΑΙ. τί μήν; ΣΩ. τὸ δʼ εὐπρεπείας δὴ γραφῆς πέρι καὶ ἀπρεπείας, πῇ γιγνόμενον καλῶς ἂν ἔχοι καὶ ὅπῃ ἀπρεπῶς, λοιπόν. ἦ γάρ; ΦΑΙ. ναί. ΣΩ. οἶσθʼ οὖν ὅπῃ μάλιστα θεῷ χαριῇ λόγων πέρι πράττων ἢ λέγων; ΦΑΙ. οὐδαμῶς· σὺ δέ;noble objects, no matter what happens to us. Phaedrus. Certainly. Socrates. We have, then, said enough about the art of speaking and that which is no art. Phaedrus. Assuredly. Socrates. But we have still to speak of propriety and impropriety in writing, how it should be done and how it is improper, have we not? Phaedrus. Yes. Socrates. Do you know how you can act or speak about rhetoric so as to please God best? Phaedrus. Not at all; do you?


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1. Plato, Phaedrus, 274d, 274e, 275a, 275b, 274c (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

274c. Socrates. I can tell something I have heard of the ancients; but whether it is true, they only know. But if we ourselves should find it out, should we care any longer for human opinions? Phaedrus. A ridiculous question! But tell me what you say you have heard. Socrates. I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who
2. Plato, Timaeus, 20e (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

20e. the wisest of the Seven, once upon a time declared. Now Solon—as indeed he often says himself in his poems—was a relative and very dear friend of our great-grandfather Dropides; Crit. and Dropides told our grandfather Critias as the old man himself, in turn, related to us—that the exploits of this city in olden days, the record of which had perished through time and the destruction of its inhabitants, were great and marvellous, the greatest of all being one which it would be proper
3. Aristoxenus, Elements of Harmony, 2.39-2.40 (4th cent. BCE - 3rd cent. BCE)

4. New Testament, 1 Corinthians, 1.31 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

1.31. that, according as it iswritten, "He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord.
5. New Testament, 2 Corinthians, 3.3-3.9 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

6. New Testament, Galatians, 4.29, 5.17, 6.8 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

4.29. But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecutedhim who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 5.17. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and theSpirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one other, that youmay not do the things that you desire. 6.8. For hewho sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But hewho sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
7. New Testament, Romans, 2.25-2.29, 7.6-7.25 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

2.25. For circumcision indeed profits, if you are a doer of the law, but if you are a transgressor of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 2.26. If therefore the uncircumcised keep the ordices of the law, won't his uncircumcision be accounted as circumcision? 2.27. Won't the uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfills the law, judge you, who with the letter and circumcision are a transgressor of the law? 2.28. For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh; 2.29. but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not from men, but from God. 7.6. But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter. 7.7. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? May it never be! However, I wouldn't have known sin, except through the law. For I wouldn't have known coveting, unless the law had said, "You shall not covet. 7.8. But sin, finding occasion through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of coveting. For apart from the law, sin is dead. 7.9. I was alive apart from the law once, but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 7.10. The commandment, which was for life, this I found to be for death; 7.11. for sin, finding occasion through the commandment, deceived me, and through it killed me. 7.12. Therefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good. 7.13. Did then that which is good become death to me? May it never be! But sin, that it might be shown to be sin, by working death to me through that which is good; that through the commandment sin might become exceeding sinful. 7.14. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. 7.15. For I don't know what I am doing. For I don't practice what I desire to do; but what I hate, that I do. 7.16. But if what I don't desire, that I do, I consent to the law that it is good. 7.17. So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. 7.18. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good. 7.19. For the good which I desire, I don't do; but the evil which I don't desire, that I practice. 7.20. But if what I don't desire, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. 7.21. I find then the law, that, to me, while I desire to do good, evil is present. 7.22. For I delight in God's law after the inward man 7.23. but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. 7.24. What a wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of the body of this death? 7.25. I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.
8. New Testament, John, 3.6, 6.63 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

3.6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 6.63. It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.
9. New Testament, Mark, 14.38 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

14.38. Watch and pray, that you not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
10. New Testament, Matthew, 26.41 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

26.41. Watch and pray, that you don't enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
11. Simplicius of Cilicia, In Aristotelis Physicorum Libros Commentaria, 454.18 (missingth cent. CE - 5th cent. CE)



Subjects of this text:

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academy, disagreements over interpretation of platos dialogues Bryan, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
academy, platos Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
apostle paul Cheuk-Yin Yam, Trinity and Grace in Augustine (2019) 487
aristotle, influenced by plato Bryan, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
aristotle Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
aristoxenus Bryan, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
augustine Cheuk-Yin Yam, Trinity and Grace in Augustine (2019) 487
critias Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 28
epicrates Bryan, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97; Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
heraclides of pontus Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
hestiaios Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
laws Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
lex fidei' Cheuk-Yin Yam, Trinity and Grace in Augustine (2019) 487
marcellinus Cheuk-Yin Yam, Trinity and Grace in Augustine (2019) 487
memory Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
oral opinions of plato Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
phaedo Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
phaedrus Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
philosophy Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
plato, authority in the academy Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
plato, influence on aristotle Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
plato, lecture on the good Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
plato, purpose of dialogues Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
plato Cheuk-Yin Yam, Trinity and Grace in Augustine (2019) 487; Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 28
simplicius Wardy and Warren, Authors and Authorities in Ancient Philosophy (2018) 97
socratic dialogue Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
teaching Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
textuality Lightfoot, Wonder and the Marvellous from Homer to the Hellenistic World (2021) 28
value Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
wisdom Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28
world soul (timaeus), writing, deficiencies of Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 28