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Plato, Phaedo, 85e

καὶ ὁ Σωκράτης, ἴσως γάρ, ἔφη, ὦ ἑταῖρε, ἀληθῆ σοι φαίνεται: ἀλλὰ λέγε ὅπῃ δὴ οὐχ ἱκανῶς. ΦΑΙΔ. ταύτῃ ἔμοιγε, ἦ δ’ ὅς, ᾗ δὴ καὶ περὶ ἁρμονίας ἄν τις καὶ λύρας τε καὶ χορδῶν τὸν αὐτὸν τοῦτον λόγον εἴποι, ὡς ἡ μὲν ἁρμονία ἀόρατον καὶ ἀσώματον καὶ πάγκαλόν τι καὶ And Socrates replied: Perhaps, my friend, you are right. But tell me in what respect it is not satisfactory. Phaedo. In this, said he, that one might use the same argument about harmony and a lyre with its strings.One might say that the harmony is invisible and incorporeal, and very beautiful and

Intertexts (texts cited often on the same page as the searched text):

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1. Homer, Odyssey, 19.457, 24.19-24.204 (8th cent. BCE - 7th cent. BCE)
2. Philolaus of Croton, Fragments, b1, b6, b6a, a27 (5th cent. BCE
3. Plato, Phaedo, 79d, 80a, 81a, 86c, 93a, 93b, 93c, 62b (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 62b. but perhaps there is some reason in it. Now the doctrine that is taught in secret about this matter, that we men are in a kind of prison and must not set ourselves free or run away, seems to me to be weighty and not easy to understand. But this at least, Cebes, I do believe is sound, that the gods are our guardians and that we men are one of the chattels of the gods. Do you not believe this? Yes, said Cebes
4. Plato, Republic, 443e, 443d (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 443d. that justice is indeed something of this kind, yet not in regard to the doing of one’s own business externally, but with regard to that which is within and in the true sense concerns one’s self, and the things of one’s self—it means that a man must not suffer the principles in his soul to do each the work of some other and interfere and meddle with one another, but that he should dispose well of what in the true sense of the word is properly his own, and having first attained to self-mastery and beautiful order within himself, and having harmonized these three principles, the notes or intervals of three terms quite literally the lowest, the highest, and the mean
5. Plato, Timaeus, 35b4, 35b5, 80a, 80b, 80c, 35b (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 35b. And when with the aid of Being He had mixed them, and had made of them one out of three, straightway He began to distribute the whole thereof into so many portions as was meet; and each portion was a mixture of the Same, of the Other, and of Being. And He began making the division thus: First He took one portion from the whole; then He took a portion double of this; then a third portion, half as much again as the second portion, that is, three times as much as the first; he fourth portion He took was twice as much as the second; the fifth three times as much as the third;
6. Aristotle, Soul, 405b (4th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)
7. Aristotle, Politics, 1340b18 (4th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)
8. Cicero, On The Nature of The Gods, 1.27 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE) 1.27. But this Anaxagoras will not allow; yet mind naked and simple, without any material adjunct to serve as an organ of sensation, seems to elude the capacity of our understanding. Alcmaeon of Croton, who attributed divinity to the sun, moon and other heavenly bodies, and also to the soul, did not perceive that he was bestowing immortality on things that are mortal. As for Pythagoras, who believed that the entire substance of the universe is penetrated and pervaded by a soul of which our souls are fragments, he failed to notice that this severance of the souls of men from the world-soul means the dismemberment and rending asunder of god; and that when their souls are unhappy, as happens to most men, then a portion of god is unhappy; which is impossible.

Subjects of this text:

subject	book bibliographic info
affinity argument	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33, 98
agnosticism	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
alcmaeon	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33
attunement	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
death	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
forms	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
godlikeness, platonic	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
godlikeness	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33, 98
harmony	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617, 618
harmony ( harmonia )	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
harmony theory	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
heraclitus, and harmony	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617
homer	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33, 98
huffman, carl	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617
immortality, divinity	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 29, 33
immortality, essential	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 29
immortality, everlastingness	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 29, 33
love and friendship	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
music, as therapy	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 618
music, pythagorean mathematics of	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617, 618
music	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75; Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617, 618
myth	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 29
philolaus	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617
plato, phaedo	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
plato	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 29, 33, 98; Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
psuchē, loss of'	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
psychē (soul), effect of music on	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 618
pythagoreanism xxv, and mathematics of music	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 617, 618
pythagoreanism xxv, and music as therapy	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 618
pythagoreans or pythagoreanism	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
simmias	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
socrates, on argument and doubt in platos phaedo	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
socrates	Seaford, Wilkins, Wright, Selfhood and the Soul: Essays on Ancient Thought and Literature in Honour of Christopher Gill (2017) 75
soul-body relationship, translocation	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 98
soul-body relationship	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33
souls, and immortality	Long, Immortality in Ancient Philosophy (2019) 33
therapy, music as	Wolfsdorf, Early Greek Ethics (2020) 618