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Plato, Ion, 530c
ἐκμανθάνειν, μὴ μόνον τὰ ἔπη, ζηλωτόν ἐστιν. οὐ γὰρ ἂν γένοιτό ποτε ἀγαθὸς ῥαψῳδός, εἰ μὴ συνείη τὰ λεγόμενα ὑπὸ τοῦ ποιητοῦ. τὸν γὰρ ῥαψῳδὸν ἑρμηνέα δεῖ τοῦ ποιητοῦ τῆς διανοίας γίγνεσθαι τοῖς ἀκούουσι· τοῦτο δὲ καλῶς ποιεῖν μὴ γιγνώσκοντα ὅτι λέγει ὁ ποιητὴς ἀδύνατον. ταῦτα οὖν πάντα ἄξια ζηλοῦσθαι. ΙΩΝ. ἀληθῆ λέγεις, ὦ Σώκρατες· ἐμοὶ γοῦν τοῦτο πλεῖστον ἔργον παρέσχεν τῆς τέχνης, καὶ οἶμαι κάλλιστα ἀνθρώπων λέγειν περὶ Ὁμήρου, ὡς οὔτε Μητρόδωρος ὁ his thought and not merely learning off his words, is a matter for envy; since a man can never be a good rhapsode without understanding what the poet says. For the rhapsode ought to make himself an interpreter of the poet's thought to his audience; and to do this properly without knowing what the poet means is impossible. So one cannot but envy all this. ION: What you say is true, Socrates: I at any rate have found this the most laborious part of my art; and I consider I speak about Homer better than anybody, for neither [530d] Metrodorus of Lampsacus, nor Stesimbrotus of Thasos, nor Glaucon, nor any one that the world has ever seen, had so many and such fine comments to offer on Homer as I have. SOCRATES: That is good news, Ion; for obviously you will not grudge me an exhibition of them. ION: And indeed it is worth hearing, Socrates, how well I have embellished Homer; so that I think I deserve to be crowned with a golden crown by the Homeridae. SOCRATES: Yes, and I must find myself leisure some time to listen to you;
ἐκμανθάνειν, μὴ μόνον τὰ ἔπη, ζηλωτόν ἐστιν. οὐ γὰρ ἂν γένοιτό ποτε ἀγαθὸς ῥαψῳδός, εἰ μὴ συνείη τὰ λεγόμενα ὑπὸ τοῦ ποιητοῦ. τὸν γὰρ ῥαψῳδὸν ἑρμηνέα δεῖ τοῦ ποιητοῦ τῆς διανοίας γίγνεσθαι τοῖς ἀκούουσι· τοῦτο δὲ καλῶς ποιεῖν μὴ γιγνώσκοντα ὅτι λέγει ὁ ποιητὴς ἀδύνατον. ταῦτα οὖν πάντα ἄξια ζηλοῦσθαι. ΙΩΝ. ἀληθῆ λέγεις, ὦ Σώκρατες· ἐμοὶ γοῦν τοῦτο πλεῖστον ἔργον παρέσχεν τῆς τέχνης, καὶ οἶμαι κάλλιστα ἀνθρώπων λέγειν περὶ Ὁμήρου, ὡς οὔτε Μητρόδωρος ὁ his thought and not merely learning off his words, is a matter for envy; since a man can never be a good rhapsode without understanding what the poet says. For the rhapsode ought to make himself an interpreter of the poet’s thought to his audience; and to do this properly without knowing what the poet means is impossible. So one cannot but envy all this. Ion. What you say is true, Socrates: I at any rate have found this the most laborious part of my art; and I consider I speak about Homer better than anybody, for neither

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1. Hebrew Bible, Leviticus, 16.23-16.24 (9th cent. BCE - 3rd cent. BCE) 16.23. וּבָא אַהֲרֹן אֶל־אֹהֶל מוֹעֵד וּפָשַׁט אֶת־בִּגְדֵי הַבָּד אֲשֶׁר לָבַשׁ בְּבֹאוֹ אֶל־הַקֹּדֶשׁ וְהִנִּיחָם שָׁם׃ 16.24. וְרָחַץ אֶת־בְּשָׂרוֹ בַמַּיִם בְּמָקוֹם קָדוֹשׁ וְלָבַשׁ אֶת־בְּגָדָיו וְיָצָא וְעָשָׂה אֶת־עֹלָתוֹ וְאֶת־עֹלַת הָעָם וְכִפֶּר בַּעֲדוֹ וּבְעַד הָעָם׃ 16.23. And Aaron shall come into the tent of meeting, and shall put off the linen garments, which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there." 16.24. And he shall bathe his flesh in water in a holy place and put on his other vestments, and come forth, and offer his burnt-offering and the burnt-offering of the people, and make atonement for himself and for the people."
2. Aristophanes, Frogs, 1010, 1009 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 1009. δεξιότητος καὶ νουθεσίας, ὅτι βελτίους τε ποιοῦμεν
3. Gorgias of Leontini, Fragments, b23 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)
4. Plato, Apology of Socrates, 22b, 22c, 22a (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 22a. —for I must speak the truth to you—this, I do declare, was my experience: those who had the most reputation seemed to me to be almost the most deficient, as I investigated at the god’s behest, and others who were of less repute seemed to be superior men in the matter of being sensible. So I must relate to you my wandering as I performed my Herculean labors, so to speak, in order that the oracle might be proved to be irrefutable. For after the public men I went to the poets, those of tragedies, and those of dithyrambs
5. Plato, Gorgias, 464b, 464c, 464d, 463d2 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)
6. Plato, Ion, 533d, 530b (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 530b. Soc. Well done: so now, mind that we win too at the Panathenaea. Ion. Why, so we shall, God willing. Soc. I must say I have often envied you rhapsodes, Ion, for your art: for besides that it is fitting to your art that your person should be adorned and that you should look as handsome as possible, the necessity of being conversant with a number of good poets, and especially with Homer, the best and divinest poet of all, and of apprehending
7. Plato, Meno, 99d, 99c (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 99c. This is the means which statesmen employ for their direction of states, and they have nothing more to do with wisdom than soothsayers and diviners; for these people utter many a true thing when inspired, but have no knowledge of anything they say. Men. I daresay that is so. Soc. And may we, Meno, rightly call those men divine who, having no understanding, yet succeed in many a great deed and word? Men. Certainly. Soc. Then we shall be right in calling those divine of whom
8. Plato, Republic, 377b, 378d, 378e, 377a (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 377a. of both, but first of the false? I don’t understand your meaning. Don’t you understand, I said, that we begin by telling children fables, and the fable is, taken as a whole, false, but there is truth in it also? And we make use of fable with children before gymnastics. That is so. That, then, is what I meant by saying that we must take up music before gymnastics. You were right, he said. Do you not know, then, that the beginning in every task is the chief thing, especially for any creature that is young and tender?

Subjects of this text:

subject	book bibliographic info
allegorists	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
allegory/-ies	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
andromenides	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
aristophanes	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
aristotle	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
callimachus, content and form, contrast of	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
callimachus, critiqued by ancient authors	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
cave, allegory of (republic)	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
citizens	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
concealment, conceal	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
division of poetic art	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
dēmēgoria	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
enigma/enigmas, enigmatic	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
ethics	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
euripides	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
exegesis	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
fear, rhetorical arousal of	Cairns et al, Emotions through Time: From Antiquity to Byzantium 63
form and content, contrast of	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
frogs	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
gorgias	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
high priest	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
homer	Cairns et al, Emotions through Time: From Antiquity to Byzantium 62, 63, 64; Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
horace, ars poetica	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
kidd, i.g.	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
literary criticism, hellenistic, callimachus and	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
logos	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
meno	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
metaphor	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
mystical	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
neoptolemus of parium	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
number	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
physical	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
plato	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323; Cairns et al, Emotions through Time: From Antiquity to Byzantium 62, 63, 64; Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
poetry	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
posidonius	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
rites	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
symbolical style of scripture	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
symbolikos, to symbolikon eidos	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62
sympathy, rhetorical	Cairns et al, Emotions through Time: From Antiquity to Byzantium 62, 63, 64
symposium	Ebrey and Kraut, The Cambridge Companion to Plato, 2nd ed (2022) 355
tears'	Cairns et al, Emotions through Time: From Antiquity to Byzantium 63
theophrastus	Acosta-Hughes Lehnus and Stephens, Brill's Companion to Callimachus (2011) 323
trope	Černušková, Kovacs and Plátová, Clement’s Biblical Exegesis: Proceedings of the Second Colloquium on Clement of Alexandria (2016) 62