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Origen, Against Celsus, 8.28


nanWe shall now proceed to the next statement of Celsus, and examine it with care: If in obedience to the traditions of their fathers they abstain from such victims, they must also abstain from all animal food, in accordance with the opinions of Pythagoras, who thus showed his respect for the soul and its bodily organs. But if, as they say, they abstain that they may not eat along with demons, I admire their wisdom, in having at length discovered, that whenever they eat they eat with demons, although they only refuse to do so when they are looking upon a slain victim; for when they eat bread, or drink wine, or taste fruits, do they not receive these things, as well as the water they drink and the air they breathe, from certain demons, to whom have been assigned these different provinces of nature? Here I would observe that I cannot see how those whom he speaks of as abstaining from certain victims, in accordance with the traditions of their fathers, are consequently bound to abstain from the flesh of all animals. We do not indeed deny that the divine word does seem to command something similar to this, when to raise us to a higher and purer life it says, It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak; and again, Destroy not him with your meat, for whom Christ died; and again, If meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world stands, lest I make my brother to offend.


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1. Hebrew Bible, Leviticus, 17.13-17.14 (9th cent. BCE - 3rd cent. BCE)

17.13. וְאִישׁ אִישׁ מִבְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל וּמִן־הַגֵּר הַגָּר בְּתוֹכָם אֲשֶׁר יָצוּד צֵיד חַיָּה אוֹ־עוֹף אֲשֶׁר יֵאָכֵל וְשָׁפַךְ אֶת־דָּמוֹ וְכִסָּהוּ בֶּעָפָר׃ 17.14. כִּי־נֶפֶשׁ כָּל־בָּשָׂר דָּמוֹ בְנַפְשׁוֹ הוּא וָאֹמַר לִבְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל דַּם כָּל־בָּשָׂר לֹא תֹאכֵלוּ כִּי נֶפֶשׁ כָּל־בָּשָׂר דָּמוֹ הִוא כָּל־אֹכְלָיו יִכָּרֵת׃ 17.13. And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among them, that taketh in hunting any beast or fowl that may be eaten, he shall pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust." 17.14. For as to the life of all flesh, the blood thereof is all one with the life thereof; therefore I said unto the children of Israel: Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh; for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof; whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."
2. New Testament, 1 Corinthians, 8.4, 8.13 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

8.4. Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we knowthat no idol is anything in the world, and that there is no other Godbut one. 8.13. Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble,I will eat no meat forevermore, that I don't cause my brother tostumble.
3. New Testament, Acts, 15.28-15.29 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

15.28. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 15.29. that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality, from which if you keep yourselves, it will be well with you. Farewell.
4. New Testament, Romans, 14.21 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

14.21. It is good to not eat meat, drink wine, nor do anything by which your brother stumbles, is offended, or is made weak.
5. New Testament, Matthew, 15.11 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

15.11. That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.
6. Hippolytus, Refutation of All Heresies, 8.13 (2nd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

7. Tertullian, On Fasting, Against The Psychics, 15.1 (2nd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

8. Eusebius of Caesarea, Preparation For The Gospel, 13.12 (3rd cent. CE - 4th cent. CE)

9. Origen, Against Celsus, 1.15-1.16, 1.32, 5.41, 5.49, 8.29-8.30 (3rd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

1.15. How much more impartial than Celsus is Numenius the Pythagorean, who has given many proofs of being a very eloquent man, and who has carefully tested many opinions, and collected together from many sources what had the appearance of truth; for, in the first book of his treatise On the Good, speaking of those nations who have adopted the opinion that God is incorporeal, he enumerates the Jews also among those who hold this view; not showing any reluctance to use even the language of their prophets in his treatise, and to give it a metaphorical signification. It is said, moreover, that Hermippus has recorded in his first book, On Lawgivers, that it was from the Jewish people that Pythagoras derived the philosophy which he introduced among the Greeks. And there is extant a work by the historian Hecat us, treating of the Jews, in which so high a character is bestowed upon that nation for its learning, that Herennius Philo, in his treatise on the Jews, has doubts in the first place, whether it is really the composition of the historian; and says, in the second place, that if really his, it is probable that he was carried away by the plausible nature of the Jewish history, and so yielded his assent to their system. 1.16. I must express my surprise that Celsus should class the Odrysians, and Samothracians, and Eleusinians, and Hyperboreans among the most ancient and learned nations, and should not deem the Jews worthy of a place among such, either for their learning or their antiquity, although there are many treatises in circulation among the Egyptians, and Phœnicians, and Greeks, which testify to their existence as an ancient people, but which I have considered it unnecessary to quote. For any one who chooses may read what Flavius Josephus has recorded in his two books, On the Antiquity of the Jews, where he brings together a great collection of writers, who bear witness to the antiquity of the Jewish people; and there exists the Discourse to the Greeks of Tatian the younger, in which with very great learning he enumerates those historians who have treated of the antiquity of the Jewish nation and of Moses. It seems, then, to be not from a love of truth, but from a spirit of hatred, that Celsus makes these statements, his object being to asperse the origin of Christianity, which is connected with Judaism. Nay, he styles the Galactophagi of Homer, and the Druids of the Gauls, and the Get, most learned and ancient tribes, on account of the resemblance between their traditions and those of the Jews, although I know not whether any of their histories survive; but the Hebrews alone, as far as in him lies, he deprives of the honour both of antiquity and learning. And again, when making a list of ancient and learned men who have conferred benefits upon their contemporaries (by their deeds), and upon posterity by their writings, he excluded Moses from the number; while of Linus, to whom Celsus assigns a foremost place in his list, there exists neither laws nor discourses which produced a change for the better among any tribes; whereas a whole nation, dispersed throughout the entire world, obey the laws of Moses. Consider, then, whether it is not from open malevolence that he has expelled Moses from his catalogue of learned men, while asserting that Linus, and Mus us, and Orpheus, and Pherecydes, and the Persian Zoroaster, and Pythagoras, discussed these topics, and that their opinions were deposited in books, and have thus been preserved down to the present time. And it is intentionally also that he has omitted to take notice of the myth, embellished chiefly by Orpheus, in which the gods are described as affected by human weaknesses and passions. 1.32. But let us now return to where the Jew is introduced, speaking of the mother of Jesus, and saying that when she was pregt she was turned out of doors by the carpenter to whom she had been betrothed, as having been guilty of adultery, and that she bore a child to a certain soldier named Panthera; and let us see whether those who have blindly concocted these fables about the adultery of the Virgin with Panthera, and her rejection by the carpenter, did not invent these stories to overturn His miraculous conception by the Holy Ghost: for they could have falsified the history in a different manner, on account of its extremely miraculous character, and not have admitted, as it were against their will, that Jesus was born of no ordinary human marriage. It was to be expected, indeed, that those who would not believe the miraculous birth of Jesus would invent some falsehood. And their not doing this in a credible manner, but (their) preserving the fact that it was not by Joseph that the Virgin conceived Jesus, rendered the falsehood very palpable to those who can understand and detect such inventions. Is it at all agreeable to reason, that he who dared to do so much for the human race, in order that, as far as in him lay, all the Greeks and Barbarians, who were looking for divine condemnation, might depart from evil, and regulate their entire conduct in a manner pleasing to the Creator of the world, should not have had a miraculous birth, but one the vilest and most disgraceful of all? And I will ask of them as Greeks, and particularly of Celsus, who either holds or not the sentiments of Plato, and at any rate quotes them, whether He who sends souls down into the bodies of men, degraded Him who was to dare such mighty acts, and to teach so many men, and to reform so many from the mass of wickedness in the world, to a birth more disgraceful than any other, and did not rather introduce Him into the world through a lawful marriage? Or is it not more in conformity with reason, that every soul, for certain mysterious reasons (I speak now according to the opinion of Pythagoras, and Plato, and Empedocles, whom Celsus frequently names), is introduced into a body, and introduced according to its deserts and former actions? It is probable, therefore, that this soul also, which conferred more benefit by its residence in the flesh than that of many men (to avoid prejudice, I do not say all), stood in need of a body not only superior to others, but invested with all excellent qualities. 5.41. Let us notice the charges which are next advanced by Celsus, in which there is exceedingly little that has reference to the Christians, as most of them refer to the Jews. His words are: If, then, in these respects the Jews were carefully to preserve their own law, they are not to be blamed for so doing, but those persons rather who have forsaken their own usages, and adopted those of the Jews. And if they pride themselves on it, as being possessed of superior wisdom, and keep aloof from intercourse with others, as not being equally pure with themselves, they have already heard that their doctrine concerning heaven is not peculiar to them, but, to pass by all others, is one which has long ago been received by the Persians, as Herodotus somewhere mentions. 'For they have a custom,' he says, 'of going up to the tops of the mountains, and of offering sacrifices to Jupiter, giving the name of Jupiter to the whole circle of the heavens.' And I think, continues Celsus, that it makes no difference whether you call the highest being Zeus, or Zen, or Adonai, or Sabaoth, or Ammoun like the Egyptians, or Papp us like the Scythians. Nor would they be deemed at all holier than others in this respect, that they observe the rite of circumcision, for this was done by the Egyptians and Colchians before them; nor because they abstain from swine's flesh, for the Egyptians practised abstinence not only from it, but from the flesh of goats, and sheep, and oxen, and fishes as well; while Pythagoras and his disciples do not eat beans, nor anything that contains life. It is not probable, however, that they enjoy God's favour, or are loved by Him differently from others, or that angels were sent from heaven to them alone, as if they had had allotted to them 'some region of the blessed,' for we see both themselves and the country of which they were deemed worthy. Let this band, then, take its departure, after paying the penalty of its vaunting, not having a knowledge of the great God, but being led away and deceived by the artifices of Moses, having become his pupil to no good end. 5.49. But neither do the Jews pride themselves upon abstaining from swine's flesh, as if it were some great thing; but upon their having ascertained the nature of clean and unclean animals, and the cause of the distinction, and of swine being classed among the unclean. And these distinctions were signs of certain things until the advent of Jesus; after whose coming it was said to His disciple, who did not yet comprehend the doctrine concerning these matters, but who said, Nothing that is common or unclean has entered into my mouth, What God has cleansed, call not common. It therefore in no way affects either the Jews or us that the Egyptian priests abstain not only from the flesh of swine, but also from that of goats, and sheep, and oxen, and fish. But since it is not that which enters into the mouth that defiles a man, and since meat does not commend us to God, we do not set great store on refraining from eating, nor yet are we induced to eat from a gluttonous appetite. And therefore, so far as we are concerned, the followers of Pythagoras, who abstain from all things that contain life may do as they please; only observe the different reason for abstaining from things that have life on the part of the Pythagoreans and our ascetics. For the former abstain on account of the fable about the transmigration of souls, as the poet says:- And some one, lifting up his beloved son, Will slay him after prayer; O how foolish he! We, however, when we do abstain, do so because we keep under our body, and bring it into subjection, and desire to mortify our members that are upon the earth, fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence; and we use every effort to mortify the deeds of the flesh. 8.29. But it is to be observed that the Jews, who claim for themselves a correct understanding of the law of Moses, carefully restrict their food to such things as are accounted clean, and abstain from those that are unclean. They also do not use in their food the blood of an animal nor the flesh of an animal torn by wild beasts, and some other things which it would take too long for us at present to detail. But Jesus, wishing to lead all men by His teaching to the pure worship and service of God, and anxious not to throw any hindrance in the way of many who might be benefited by Christianity, through the imposition of a burdensome code of rules in regard to food, has laid it down, that not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man, but that which comes out of the mouth; for whatsoever enters in at the mouth goes into the belly, and is cast out into the draught. But those things which proceed out of the mouth are evil thoughts when spoken, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. Paul also says, Meat commends us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse. Wherefore, as there is some obscurity about this matter, without some explanation is given, it seemed good to the apostles of Jesus and the elders assembled together at Antioch, and also, as they themselves say, to the Holy Spirit, to write a letter to the Gentile believers, forbidding them to partake of those things from which alone they say it is necessary to abstain, namely, things offered to idols, things strangled, and blood. 8.30. For that which is offered to idols is sacrificed to demons, and a man of God must not join the table of demons. As to things strangled, we are forbidden by Scripture to partake of them, because the blood is still in them; and blood, especially the odour arising from blood, is said to be the food of demons. Perhaps, then, if we were to eat of strangled animals, we might have such spirits feeding along with us. And the reason which forbids the use of strangled animals for food is also applicable to the use of blood. And it may not be amiss, as bearing on this point, to recall a beautiful saying in the writings of Sextus, which is known to most Christians: The eating of animals, says he, is a matter of indifference; but to abstain from them is more agreeable to reason. It is not, therefore, simply an account of some traditions of our fathers that we refrain from eating victims offered to those called gods or heroes or demons, but for other reasons, some of which I have here mentioned. It is not to be supposed, however, that we are to abstain from the flesh of animals in the same way as we are bound to abstain from all race and wickedness: we are indeed to abstain not only from the flesh of animals, but from all other kinds of food, if we cannot partake of them without incurring evil, and the consequences of evil. For we are to avoid eating for gluttony, or for the mere gratification of the appetite, without regard to the health and sustece of the body. We do not believe that souls pass from one body to another, and that they may descend so low as to enter the bodies of the brutes. If we abstain at times from eating the flesh of animals, it is evidently, therefore, not for the same reason as Pythagoras; for it is the reasonable soul alone that we honour, and we commit its bodily organs with due honours to the grave. For it is not right that the dwelling-place of the rational soul should be cast aside anywhere without honour, like the carcasses of brute beasts; and so much the more when we believe that the respect paid to the body redounds to the honour of the person who received from God a soul which has nobly employed the organs of the body in which it resided. In regard to the question, How are the dead raised up, and with what body do they come? we have already answered it briefly, as our purpose required.
10. Aphrahat, Demonstrations, 15.3 (4th cent. CE - 4th cent. CE)

11. Epiphanius, Panarion, 30.15.3-30.15.4, 30.22.3-30.22.5 (4th cent. CE - 5th cent. CE)

12. Anon., Cologne Mani Codex, 92-94, 91



Subjects of this text:

subject book bibliographic info
abstinence Pevarello, The Sentences of Sextus and the Origins of Christian Ascetiscism (2013) 10
alimentary Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
animals Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
antony Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
athens Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
baths Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
blood Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
burkert Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
carrion Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
celsus Pevarello, The Sentences of Sextus and the Origins of Christian Ascetiscism (2013) 10
chadwick, henry Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
christians Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
clement of alexandria Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
cornelli Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
defilement Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
demons Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
demons and food Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
dietary laws in the second-and third-century texts Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
domina Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
drapery Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
dress, african Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
dress, female Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
dress, imperial Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
dress, masculine Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
drinking Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
eating Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
encratism Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
etruscan Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
eusebius of caesarea Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
ewers Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
external vs. internal Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
flask Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
food, impurity of and demonology Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
food, impurity of in second- and third-century sources Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
food, impurity of offered to idols Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
food Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
footwear Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
foreigners, impurity of Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 205
gold, golden Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
jewellery Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
justice Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
mantle Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
marcion Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
mcgowan, andrew Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
meat Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81; Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
mirrors Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
mosaics Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
mundus muliebris Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
north africa, roman Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
nudity Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
numenius of apamea Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
origen Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259; Pevarello, The Sentences of Sextus and the Origins of Christian Ascetiscism (2013) 10
pauline Pevarello, The Sentences of Sextus and the Origins of Christian Ascetiscism (2013) 10
perfume Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
philosophers Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
plato Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
pleasures Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
portraits, principate Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
poverty Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
ps.-clementine literature on dietary purity Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
pythagoras Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
pythagorean/neopythagorean Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
pythagoreanism Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
pythagoreans Pevarello, The Sentences of Sextus and the Origins of Christian Ascetiscism (2013) 10
reliefs Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
republic Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
sacrifice Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
self-control Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
shoes Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
silver Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
sin Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
socrates Larsen and Rubenson, Monastic Education in Late Antiquity: The Transformation of Classical 'Paideia' (2018) 259
statues Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
syria Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
tertullian Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
the body Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
the flesh Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
toiletries Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
transmigration of souls' Wilson, The Sentences of Sextus (2012) 147
tunic, womens Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
vegetarianism Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
wine Blidstein, Purity Community and Ritual in Early Christian Literature (2017) 81
womens toilette Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291
wrap Edmondson, Roman Dress and the Fabrics of Roman Culture (2008) 291