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Euripides, Children Of Heracles, 207


Πιτθεὺς μέν ἐστι Πέλοπος, ἐκ δὲ Πιτθέωςrend= for we no longer have aught to do with Argos since that decree was passed, but we are exiles from our native land; how then can he justly drag us back as subjects of Mycenae, Mycenae and Argos are used indiscrimately, in the same way that Euripides elsewhere speaks of Greeks as Argives, Achaeans, Hellenes, etc., without distinction. seeing that they have banished us? For we are strangers. Or do ye claim that every exile from Argos is exiled from the bounds of Hellas? Not from Athens surely; for ne’er will she for fear of Argos drive the children of Heracles from her land. Here is no Trachis, not at all; no! nor that Achaean town, whence thou, defying justice, but boasting of the might of Argos in the very words thou now art using, didst drive the suppliants from their station at the altar. If this shall be, and they thy words approve, why then I trow this is no more Athens, the home of freedom. Nay, but I know the temper and nature of these citizens; they would rather die, for honour ranks before mere life with men of worth. Enough of Athens! for excessive praise is apt to breed disgust; and oft ere now I have myself felt vexed at praise that knows no bounds. But to thee, as ruler of this land, I fain would show the reason why thou art bound to save these children. Pittheus was the son of Pelops; from him sprung Aethra, and from her Theseus thy sire was born. And now will I trace back these children’s lineage for thee. Heracles was son of Zeus and Alcmena; Alcmena sprang from Pelops’ daughter; therefore thy father and their father would be the sons of first cousins. Thus then art thou to them related, O Demophon, but thy just debt to them beyond the ties of kinship do I now declare to thee; for I assert, in days gone by, I was with Theseus on the ship, as their father’s squire, when they went to fetch that girdle fraught with death; yea, and from Hades’ murky dungeons did Heracles bring thy father up; as all Hellas doth attest. The following six lines have been condemned by the joint verdict of Paley, Porson, and Dindorf. Wherefore in return they crave this boon of thee, that they be not surrendered up nor torn by force from the altars of thy gods and cast forth from the land. For this were shame on thee, and This line as it stands has a syllable too many for the metre. Hermann omits τε . Wecklein inserts τῇ and omits κακόν . hurtful likewise in thy state, should suppliants, exiles, kith and kin of thine, be haled away by force. For pity’s sake! cast one glance at them. I do entreat thee, laying my suppliant bough upon thee, by thy hands and beard, slight not the sons of Heracles, now that thou hast them in thy power to help. Show thyself their kinsman and their friend; be to them father, brother, lord; for better each and all of these than to fall beneath the Argives’ hand. Choru


Πιτθεὺς μέν ἐστι Πέλοπος, ἐκ δὲ ΠιτθέωςBut to thee, as ruler of this land, I fain would show the reason why thou art bound to save these children. Pittheus was the son of Pelops; from him sprung Aethra, and from her Theseus thy sire was born. And now will I trace back these children’s lineage for thee.


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1. Euripides, Hecuba, 1196-1207, 1195 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

2. Euripides, Children of Heracles, 102-103, 1030-1031, 104-115, 118-119, 121, 123-129, 133-206, 208-283, 57-58, 61-79, 849-850, 94, 101 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

101. εἰκὸς θεῶν ἱκτῆρας αἰδεῖσθαι, ξένε 101. rend= Copreus 101. Stranger, ’tis but right we should reverence the gods’ suppliants, suffering none with violent hand to make them Reading σφε (Musgrave) for MS. σε . Schmidt, τάδ’ ἀλιτεῖν σ’ ἕδη thee (i.e. Copreus) to transgress against. leave the altars, for that will dread Justice ne’er permit. Copreu
3. Euripides, Hippolytus, 1001-1031, 962-970, 983-1000 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

1000. to mock at friends is not my way, father, but I am still the same behind their backs as to their face. The very crime thou thinkest to catch me in, is just the one I am untainted with, for to this day have I kept me pure from women. Nor know I aught thereof, save what I hear
4. Euripides, Orestes, 453 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

5. Euripides, Suppliant Women, 465-584, 464 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

6. Herodotus, Histories, 7.150 (5th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

7.150. Such is the Argives' account of this matter, but there is another story told in Hellas, namely that before Xerxes set forth on his march against Hellas, he sent a herald to Argos, who said on his coming (so the story goes), ,“Men of Argos, this is the message to you from King Xerxes. Perses our forefather had, as we believe, Perseus son of Danae for his father, and Andromeda daughter of Cepheus for his mother; if that is so, then we are descended from your nation. In all right and reason we should therefore neither march against the land of our forefathers, nor should you become our enemies by aiding others or do anything but abide by yourselves in peace. If all goes as I desire, I will hold none in higher esteem than you.” ,The Argives were strongly moved when they heard this, and although they made no promise immediately and demanded no share, they later, when the Greeks were trying to obtain their support, did make the claim, because they knew that the Lacedaemonians would refuse to grant it, and that they would thus have an excuse for taking no part in the war.
7. Strabo, Geography, 8.6.19 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

8.6.19. But let me speak next of the places which are named in the Catalogue of Ships as subject to Mycenae and Menelaus. The words of the poet are as follows: And those who held Mycenae, well-built fortress, and wealthy Corinth and well-built Kleonai, and dwelt in Orneiae and lovely Araethyree and Sikyon, wherein Adrastus was king at the first; and those who held Hyperesie and steep Gonoessa and Pellene, and dwelt about Aegium and through all the Aegialus and about broad Helice. Now Mycenae is no longer in existence, but it was founded by Perseus, and Perseus was succeeded by Sthenelus, and Sthenelus by Eurystheus; and the same men ruled over Argos also. Now Eurystheus made an expedition to Marathon against Iolaus and the sons of Heracles, with the aid of the Athenians, as the story goes, and fell in the battle, and his body was buried at Gargettus, except his head, which was cut off by Iolaus, and was buried separately at Tricorynthus near the spring Macaria below the wagon road. And the place is called Eurystheus' Head. Then Mycenae fell to the Pelopidae who had set out from Pisatis, and then to the Heracleidae, who also held Argos. But after the naval battle at Salamis the Argives, along with the Kleonaians and Tegeatans, came over and utterly destroyed Mycenae, and divided the country among themselves. Because of the nearness of the two cities to one another the writers of tragedy speak of them synonymously as though they were one city; and Euripides, even in the same drama, calls the same city, at one time Mycenae, at another Argos, as, for example, in his Iphigeneia and his Orestes. Kleonai is a town situated by the road that leads from Argos to Corinth, on a hill which is surrounded by dwellings on all sides and is well fortified, so that in my opinion Homer's words, well-built Kleonai, were appropriate. And here too, between Kleonai and Phlious, are Nemea and the sacred precinct in which the Argives are wont to celebrate the Nemean Games, and the scene of the myth of the Nemean lion, and the village Bembina. Kleonai is one hundred and twenty stadia distant from Argos, and eighty from Corinth. I myself have beheld the settlement from Acrocorinthus.
8. Pausanias, Description of Greece, 1.44.10 (2nd cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

1.44.10. Farther on is the tomb of Eurystheus. The story is that he fled from Attica after the battle with the Heracleidae and was killed here by Iolaus. When you have gone down from this road you see a sanctuary of Apollo Latous, after which is the boundary between Megara and Corinth, where legend says that Hyllus, son of Heracles, fought a duel with the Arcadian Echemus.


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agon Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
agôn/-es Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
alcestis Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
andromache Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
athens, council of Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
athens Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
carter, d.m. xix Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100, 112
chians Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
children of heracles (heraclidae) Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100, 112
chloe Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
diplomacy (language of ) Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
discourse Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
drama Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
eisodos/oi Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
electra Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
epic Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
euripides Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
euripides children of heracles, plot Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 127
euripides children of heracles, rhetoric in Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 127
hecuba Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
heraclea, athena of Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
heracleans Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
heracles, and theseus Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
heracles Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
heraclidae, athenian defence of the Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 127
heraclidae Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
heralds Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
hippolytus Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
iolaus Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 127, 130
kinship (in diplomacy) Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
lloyd, m. Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
nymphs Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
orestes Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
pactyes Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
payment Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
poetry Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
reception Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
reciprocity Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
reductio ad absurdum Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
rhetoric' Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
sophocles Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
suppliant drama Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 127
suppliant women (supplices) Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 100
supplication Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
theramenes Naiden,Ancient Suppliation (2006)" 151
theseus, and heracles Barbato, The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past (2020) 130
thucydides Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 112
trojan women Poet and Orator: A Symbiotic Relationship in Democratic Athens (2019)" 371
zeus Markantonatos, Brill's Companion to Euripides (2015) 112