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Diogenes Laertius, Lives Of The Philosophers, 8.4-8.5


nanThis is what Heraclides of Pontus tells us he used to say about himself: that he had once been Aethalides and was accounted to be Hermes' son, and Hermes told him he might choose any gift he liked except immortality; so he asked to retain through life and through death a memory of his experiences. Hence in life he could recall everything, and when he died he still kept the same memories. Afterwards in course of time his soul entered into Euphorbus and he was wounded by Menelaus. Now Euphorbus used to say that he had once been Aethalides and obtained this gift from Hermes, and then he told of the wanderings of his soul, how it migrated hither and thither, into how many plants and animals it had come, and all that it underwent in Hades, and all that the other souls there have to endure.


nanWhen Euphorbus died, his soul passed into Hermotimus, and he also, wishing to authenticate the story, went up to the temple of Apollo at Branchidae, where he identified the shield which Menelaus, on his voyage home from Troy, had dedicated to Apollo, so he said: the shield being now so rotten through and through that the ivory facing only was left. When Hermotimus died, he became Pyrrhus, a fisherman of Delos, and again he remembered everything, how he was first Aethalides, then Euphorbus, then Hermotimus, and then Pyrrhus. But when Pyrrhus died, he became Pythagoras, and still remembered all the facts mentioned.


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1. Homer, Iliad, 16.851-16.854, 22.355-22.360 (8th cent. BCE - 7th cent. BCE)

16.851. /and of men Euphorbus, while thou art the third in my slaying. And another thing will I tell thee, and do thou lay it to heart: verily thou shalt not thyself be long in life, but even now doth death stand hard by thee, and mighty fate, that thou be slain beneath the hands of Achilles, the peerless son of Aeacus. 16.852. /and of men Euphorbus, while thou art the third in my slaying. And another thing will I tell thee, and do thou lay it to heart: verily thou shalt not thyself be long in life, but even now doth death stand hard by thee, and mighty fate, that thou be slain beneath the hands of Achilles, the peerless son of Aeacus. 16.853. /and of men Euphorbus, while thou art the third in my slaying. And another thing will I tell thee, and do thou lay it to heart: verily thou shalt not thyself be long in life, but even now doth death stand hard by thee, and mighty fate, that thou be slain beneath the hands of Achilles, the peerless son of Aeacus. 16.854. /and of men Euphorbus, while thou art the third in my slaying. And another thing will I tell thee, and do thou lay it to heart: verily thou shalt not thyself be long in life, but even now doth death stand hard by thee, and mighty fate, that thou be slain beneath the hands of Achilles, the peerless son of Aeacus. 22.355. /Then even in dying spake unto him Hector of the flashing helm:Verily I know thee well, and forbode what shall be, neither was it to be that I should persuade thee; of a truth the heart in thy breast is of iron. Bethink thee now lest haply I bring the wrath of the gods upon thee on the day when Paris and Phoebus Apollo shall slay thee 22.356. /Then even in dying spake unto him Hector of the flashing helm:Verily I know thee well, and forbode what shall be, neither was it to be that I should persuade thee; of a truth the heart in thy breast is of iron. Bethink thee now lest haply I bring the wrath of the gods upon thee on the day when Paris and Phoebus Apollo shall slay thee 22.357. /Then even in dying spake unto him Hector of the flashing helm:Verily I know thee well, and forbode what shall be, neither was it to be that I should persuade thee; of a truth the heart in thy breast is of iron. Bethink thee now lest haply I bring the wrath of the gods upon thee on the day when Paris and Phoebus Apollo shall slay thee 22.358. /Then even in dying spake unto him Hector of the flashing helm:Verily I know thee well, and forbode what shall be, neither was it to be that I should persuade thee; of a truth the heart in thy breast is of iron. Bethink thee now lest haply I bring the wrath of the gods upon thee on the day when Paris and Phoebus Apollo shall slay thee 22.359. /Then even in dying spake unto him Hector of the flashing helm:Verily I know thee well, and forbode what shall be, neither was it to be that I should persuade thee; of a truth the heart in thy breast is of iron. Bethink thee now lest haply I bring the wrath of the gods upon thee on the day when Paris and Phoebus Apollo shall slay thee 22.360. /valorous though thou art, at the Scaean gate. Even as he thus spake the end of death enfolded him and his soul fleeting from his limbs was gone to Hades, bewailing her fate, leaving manliness and youth. And to him even in his death spake goodly Achilles:
2. Xenophanes, Fragments, None (6th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

3. Xenophanes, Fragments, None (6th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

4. Xenophanes, Fragments, None (6th cent. BCE - 5th cent. BCE)

5. Plato, Phaedo, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

61d. And as he spoke he put his feet down on the ground and remained sitting in this way through the rest of the conversation.Then Cebes asked him: What do you mean by this, Socrates, that it is not permitted to take one’s life, but that the philosopher would desire to follow after the dying? How is this, Cebes? Have you and Simmias, who are pupils of Philolaus, not heard about such things? Nothing definite, Socrates. I myself speak of them only from hearsay; but I have no objection to telling what I have heard. And indeed it is perhaps especially fitting
6. Plato, Phaedrus, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

7. Plato, Republic, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

487a. Nay, most necessary, he said. Is there any fault, then, that you can find with a pursuit which a man could not properly practise unless he were by nature of good memory, quick apprehension, magnificent, gracious, friendly and akin to truth, justice, bravery and sobriety? Momus himself, he said, could not find fault with such a combination. Well, then, said I, when men of this sort are perfected by education and maturity of age, would you not entrust the state solely to them?
8. Plato, Theaetetus, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

194d. THEAET. Most emphatically.
9. Aristotle, Metaphysics, None (4th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

10. Diodorus Siculus, Historical Library, 10.6.1 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

11. Diogenes Laertius, Lives of The Philosophers, 8.5, 8.36 (3rd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

8.5. When Euphorbus died, his soul passed into Hermotimus, and he also, wishing to authenticate the story, went up to the temple of Apollo at Branchidae, where he identified the shield which Menelaus, on his voyage home from Troy, had dedicated to Apollo, so he said: the shield being now so rotten through and through that the ivory facing only was left. When Hermotimus died, he became Pyrrhus, a fisherman of Delos, and again he remembered everything, how he was first Aethalides, then Euphorbus, then Hermotimus, and then Pyrrhus. But when Pyrrhus died, he became Pythagoras, and still remembered all the facts mentioned. 8.36. This is what Alexander says that he found in the Pythagorean memoirs. What follows is Aristotle's.But Pythagoras's great dignity not even Timon overlooked, who, although he digs at him in his Silli, speaks ofPythagoras, inclined to witching works and ways,Man-snarer, fond of noble periphrase.Xenophanes confirms the statement about his having been different people at different times in the elegiacs beginning:Now other thoughts, another path, I show.What he says of him is as follows:They say that, passing a belaboured whelp,He, full of pity, spake these words of dole:Stay, smite not ! 'Tis a friend, a human soul;I knew him straight whenas I heard him yelp !
12. Iamblichus, Life of Pythagoras, 143, 164, 63, 14 (3rd cent. CE - 4th cent. CE)

14. With him likewise the best principle originated of a guardian attention to the concerns of men, and which ought to be pre-assumed by those who intend to learn the truth about other things. For he reminded many of his familiars, by most clear and evident indications, of the former life which their 42soul lived, before it was bound to this body, and demonstrated by indubitable arguments, that he had been Euphorbus the son of Panthus, who conquered Patroclus. And he especially praised the following funeral Homeric verses pertaining to himself, sung them most elegantly to the lyre, and frequently repeated them.“The shining circlets of his golden hair,Which ev’n the Graces might be proud to wear,Instarr’d with gems and gold, bestrow the shoreWith dust dishonor’d, and deform’d with gore.As the young olive in some sylvan scene,Crown’d by fresh fountains with eternal green,Lifts the gay head, in snowy flowrets fair,And plays and dances to the gentle air;When lo! a whirlwind from high heav’n invadesThe tender plant, and withers all its shades;It lies uprooted from its genial bed,A lovely ruin now defac’d and dead.Thus young, thus beautiful, Euphorbus lay,While the fierce Spartan tore his arms away.”[16]But what is related about the shield of this Phrygian Euphorbus, being dedicated among other Trojan spoils to Argive Juno, we shall omit, as being of a very popular nature. That, however, which he wished to indicate through all these particulars is this, that he knew the former lives which he had lived, and that from hence he commenced his providential attention to others, reminding them of their former life.
13. Porphyry, Life of Plotinus, 12 (3rd cent. CE - 4th cent. CE)

14. Porphyry, Life of Pythagoras, 26 (3rd cent. CE - 4th cent. CE)

26. Many of his associates he reminded of the lives lived by their souls before it was bound to the body, and by irrefutable arguments demonstrated that he had bean Euphorbus, the son of Panthus. He specially praised the following verses about himself, and sang them to the lyre most elegantly: "The shining circlets of his golden hair; Which even the Graces might be proud to wear,Instarred with gems and gold, bestrew the shore,With dust dishonored, and deformed with gore.As the young olive, in some sylvan scene, Crowned by fresh fountains with celestial green, Lifts the gay head, in snowy flowerets fair, And plays and dances to the gentle air,When lo, a whirlwind from high heaven invades, The tender plant, and withers all its shades;It lies uprooted from its genial head, A lovely ruin now defaced and dead. Thus young, thus beautiful, Euphorbus lay, While the fierce Spartan tore his arms away." (Pope, Homer's Iliad, Book 17). SPAN


Subjects of this text:

subject book bibliographic info
account Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
aethalides Castagnoli and Ceccarelli (2019) 29; Cornelli (2013) 165
afterlife Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
anamnēsis Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
apollonius of rhodes Cornelli (2013) 165
aristotle Cornelli (2013) 142; Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
augustine Castagnoli and Ceccarelli (2019) 29
body,as impediment to soul Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
burkert,w. Cornelli (2013) 165
cebes Long (2019) 22
diogenes laertius Cornelli (2013) 142
divination Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
embodied soul Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
empedocles Long (2019) 22
euphorbus Cornelli (2013) 165
experience Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
gods Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
hector Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
hermippus Cornelli (2013) 142
hermotimus Cornelli (2013) 165; Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
homer Cornelli (2013) 165
huffman,c.a. Cornelli (2013) 142, 165
iamblichus Cornelli (2013) 142
inquiry Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
knowledge Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
luna alcoba,m. Cornelli (2013) 142
memory Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254; Huffman (2019) 581
menelaus Cornelli (2013) 165
meno Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
metempsychosis Huffman (2019) 581
patroclus Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
phaedo Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
phaedrus Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
pherecydes Cornelli (2013) 165
philolaus Long (2019) 22
philosopher Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
philosophy,graeco-roman Esler (2000) 66
philosophy Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
plato Long (2019) 22
platonism,hellenistic Esler (2000) 66
practice (epitēdeuein) Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
prenatal knowledge Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
priests Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
proclus Cornelli (2013) 142
purification Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
pyrrhus Cornelli (2013) 165
pythagoras,pythagoreans Long (2019) 22
pythagoras Cornelli (2013) 142, 165; Huffman (2019) 581; Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
recollection Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
reincarnation Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254; Long (2019) 22
religion,hellenistic religions Esler (2000) 66
rohde,e. Huffman (2019) 581
rose,v. Cornelli (2013) 142, 165
septuagint Esler (2000) 66
sextus empiricus Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
simmias Long (2019) 22
soul Russell and Nesselrath (2014) 76
symposium Ebrey and Kraut (2022) 254
wehrli,f.' Cornelli (2013) 142