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Cicero, De Oratore, 2.59


Haec cum ille dixisset, 'quid est,' inquit 'Catule?' Caesar; 'ubi sunt, qui Antonium Graece negant scire? Quot historicos nominavit! Quam scienter, quam proprie de uno quoque dixit!' 'Id me hercule' inquit Catulus 'admirans illud iam mirari desino, quod multo magis ante mirabar, hunc, cum haec nesciret, in dicendo posse tantum.' 'Atqui, Catule,' inquit Antonius 'non ego utilitatem aliquam ad dicendum aucupans horum libros et non nullos alios, sed delectationis causa, cum est otium, legere soleo.When Antonius had spoken thus, “What is this, Catulus?’ said Csesar. “Where are they who say that Antonius is ignorant of Greek? how many historians has he named! and how learnedly and judiciously has he spoken of each! ““On my word,” said Catulus, “while I wonder at this, I cease to wonder at what I regarded with much greater wonder before, namely, that he, being unacquainted with these matters, should have such power as a speaker.” “But, Catulus,” said Antonius,” my custom is to read these books, and some others, when I have leisure, not to hunt for anything that may improve me in speaking, but for my own amusement.


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1. Lysias, Orations, 7 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

2. Cicero, Brutus, 11, 14-15, 262, 41-43, 10 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

3. Cicero, Brutus, 11, 14-15, 262, 41-43, 10 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

10. nam cum inambularem in xysto et essem otiosus domi, M. ad me Brutus, ut consueverat, cum T. Pomponio venit venit Fleckeisen : venerat L , homines cum inter se coniuncti tum mihi ita cari itaque itaque codd. : atque O iucundi, ut eorum aspectu omnis quae me angebat de re publica cura consederit. Quos postquam salutavi: Quid vos, inquam, Brute et Attice ? numquid numquid Nipperdey : nunc quid L tandem novi? Nihil sane, inquit Brutus, quod quidem aut tu audire velis aut ego pro certo dicere audeam.
4. Cicero, On Laws, 1.5-1.6 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

5. Cicero, De Oratore, 2.34-2.36, 2.48, 2.51-2.57, 2.62-2.64 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

2.34. Qui enim cantus moderata oratione dulcior inveniri potest? Quod carmen artificiosa verborum conclusione aptius? Qui actor imitanda quam orator suscipienda veritate iucundior? Quid autem subtilius quam crebrae acutaeque sententiae? Quid admirabilius quam res splendore inlustrata verborum? Quid plenius quam omni genere rerum cumulata oratio? Neque ulla non propria oratoris res est, quae quidem ornate dici graviterque debet. 2.35. Huius est in dando consilio de maximis rebus cum dignitate explicata sententia; eiusdem et languentis populi incitatio et effrenati moderatio; eadem facultate et fraus hominum ad perniciem et integritas ad salutem vocatur. Quis cohortari ad virtutem ardentius, quis a vitiis acrius revocare, quis vituperare improbos asperius, quis laudare bonos ornatius, quis cupiditatem vehementius frangere accusando potest? Quis maerorem levare mitius consolando? 2.36. Historia vero testis temporum, lux veritatis, vita memoriae, magistra vitae, nuntia vetustatis, qua voce alia nisi oratoris immortalitati commendatur? Nam si qua est ars alia, quae verborum aut faciendorum aut legendorum scientiam profiteatur; aut si quisquam dicitur nisi orator formare orationem eamque variare et distinguere quasi quibusdam verborum sententiarumque insignibus; aut si via ulla nisi ab hac una arte traditur aut argumentorum aut sententiarum aut denique discriptionis atque ordinis, fateamur aut hoc, quod haec ars profiteatur, alienum esse aut cum alia aliqua arte esse commune: sed si in hac una est ea ratio atque doctrina, non, si qui aliarum artium bene locuti sunt, eo minus id est huius unius proprium; 2.48. nam et testimonium saepe dicendum est ac non numquam etiam accuratius, ut mihi etiam necesse fuit in Sex. Titium, seditiosum civem et turbulentum; explicavi in eo testimonio dicendo omnia consilia consulatus mei, quibus illi tribuno plebis pro re publica restitissem, quaeque ab eo contra rem publicam facta arbitrarer, exposui; diu retentus sum, multa audivi, multa respondi. Num igitur placet, cum de eloquentia praecipias, aliquid etiam de testimoniis dicendis quasi in arte tradere?' 2.51. 'Plane' inquit Catulus 'adsentior.' 'Age vero,' inquit Antonius 'qualis oratoris et quanti hominis in dicendo putas esse historiam scribere?' 'Si, ut Graeci scripserunt, summi,' inquit Catulus; 'si, ut nostri, nihil opus est oratore; satis est non esse mendacem.' 'Atqui, ne nostros contemnas,' inquit Antonius, 'Graeci quoque ipsi sic initio scriptitarunt, ut noster Cato, ut Pictor, ut Piso; 2.52. erat enim historia nihil aliud nisi annalium confectio, cuius rei memoriaeque publicae retinendae causa ab initio rerum Romanarum usque ad P. Mucium pontificem maximum res omnis singulorum annorum mandabat litteris pontifex maximus referebatque in album et proponebat tabulam domi, potestas ut esset populo cognoscendi, eique etiam nunc annales maximi nomitur. 2.53. Hanc similitudinem scribendi multi secuti sunt, qui sine ullis ornamentis monumenta solum temporum, hominum, locorum gestarumque rerum reliquerunt; itaque qualis apud Graecos Pherecydes, Hellanicus, Acusilas fuit aliique permulti, talis noster Cato et Pictor et Piso, qui neque tenent, quibus rebus ornetur oratio—modo enim huc ista sunt importata—et, dum intellegatur quid dicant, unam dicendi laudem putant esse brevitatem. 2.54. Paulum se erexit et addidit maiorem historiae sonum vocis vir optimus, Crassi familiaris, Antipater; ceteri non exornatores rerum, sed tantum modo narratores fuerunt.' 'Est,' inquit Catulus 'ut dicis; sed iste ipse Caelius neque distinxit historiam varietate colorum neque verborum conlocatione et tractu orationis leni et aequabili perpolivit illud opus; sed ut homo neque doctus neque maxime aptus ad dicendum, sicut potuit, dolavit; vicit tamen, ut dicis, superiores.' 2.55. 'Minime mirum,' inquit Antonius 'si ista res adhuc nostra lingua inlustrata non est; nemo enim studet eloquentiae nostrorum hominum, nisi ut in causis atque in foro eluceat; apud Graecos autem eloquentissimi homines remoti a causis forensibus cum ad ceteras res inlustris tum ad historiam scribendam maxime se applicaverunt: namque et Herodotum illum, qui princeps genus hoc ornavit, in causis nihil omnino versatum esse accepimus; atqui tanta est eloquentia, ut me quidem, quantum ego Graece scripta intellegere possum, magno opere delectet; et post illum Thucydides omnis dicendi artificio mea sententia facile vicit; 2.56. qui ita creber est rerum frequentia, ut verborum prope numerum sententiarum numero consequatur, ita porro verbis est aptus et pressus, ut nescias, utrum res oratione an verba sententiis inlustrentur: atqui ne hunc quidem, quamquam est in re publica versatus, ex numero accepimus eorum, qui causas dictitarunt; et hos ipsos libros tum scripsisse dicitur, cum a re publica remotus atque, id quod optimo cuique Athenis accidere solitum est, in exsilium pulsus esset; 2.57. hunc consecutus est Syracosius Philistus, qui, cum Dionysi tyranni familiarissimus esset, otium suum consumpsit in historia scribenda maximeque Thucydidem est, ut mihi videtur, imitatus. Postea vero ex clarissima quasi rhetoris officina duo praestantes ingenio, Theopompus et Ephorus ab Isocrate magistro impulsi se ad historiam contulerunt; causas omnino numquam attigerunt. 2.62. Sed illuc redeo: videtisne, quantum munus sit oratoris historia? Haud scio an flumine orationis et varietate maximum; neque eam reperio usquam separatim instructam rhetorum praeceptis; sita sunt enim ante oculos. Nam quis nescit primam esse historiae legem, ne quid falsi dicere audeat? Deinde ne quid veri non audeat? Ne quae suspicio gratiae sit in scribendo? Ne quae simultatis? 2.63. Haec scilicet fundamenta nota sunt omnibus, ipsa autem exaedificatio posita est in rebus et verbis: rerum ratio ordinem temporum desiderat, regionum descriptionem; vult etiam, quoniam in rebus magnis memoriaque dignis consilia primum, deinde acta, postea eventus exspectentur, et de consiliis significari quid scriptor probet et in rebus gestis declarari non solum quid actum aut dictum sit, sed etiam quo modo, et cum de eventu dicatur, ut causae explicentur omnes vel casus vel sapientiae vel temeritatis hominumque ipsorum non solum res gestae, sed etiam, qui fama ac nomine excellant, de cuiusque vita atque natura; 2.64. verborum autem ratio et genus orationis fusum atque tractum et cum lenitate quadam aequabiliter profluens sine hac iudiciali asperitate et sine sententiarum forensibus aculeis persequendum est. Harum tot tantarumque rerum videtisne nulla esse praecepta, quae in artibus rhetorum reperiantur? In eodem silentio multa alia oratorum officia iacuerunt, cohortationes, praecepta, consolationes, admonita, quae tractanda sunt omnia disertissime, sed locum suum in his artibus, quae traditae sunt, habent nullum.
6. Cicero, Letters To His Friends, 5.12, 5.12.4-5.12.5 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

7. Quintilian, Institutes of Oratory, 6.2.32, 8.3.61-8.3.62, 9.2.40 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

6.2.32.  From such impressions arises that ἐνάργεια which Cicero calls illumination and actuality, which makes us seem not so much to narrate as to exhibit the actual scene, while our emotions will be no less actively stirred than if we were present at the actual occurrence. Is it not from visions such as these that Vergil was inspired to write â€” "Sudden her fingers let the shuttle fall And all the thread was spilled 8.3.61. The ornate is something that goes beyond what is merely lucid and acceptable. It consists firstly in forming a clear conception of what we wish to say, secondly in giving this adequate expression, and thirdly in lending it additional brilliance, a process which may correctly be termed embellishment. Consequently we must place among ornaments that ἐνάργεια which I mentioned in the rules which I laid down for the statement of facts, because vivid illustration, or, as some prefer to call it, representation, is something more than mere clearness, since the latter merely lets itself be seen, whereas the former thrusts itself upon our notice. 8.3.62.  It is a great gift to be able to set forth the facts on which we are speaking clearly and vividly. For oratory fails of its full effect, and does not assert itself as it should, if its appeal is merely to the hearing, and if the judge merely feels that the facts on which he has to give his decision are being narrated to him, and not displayed in their living truth to the eyes of the mind. 9.2.40.  With regard to the figure which Cicero calls ocular demonstration, this comes into play when we do not restrict ourselves to mentioning that something was done, but proceed to show how it was done, and do so not merely on broad general lines, but in full detail. In the last book I classified this figure under the head of vivid illustration, while Celsus actually terms it by this name. Others give the name of ὑποτύποσις to any representation of facts which is made in such vivid language that they appeal to the eye rather than the ear. The following will show what I mean: "He came into the forum on fire with criminal madness: his eyes blazed and cruelty was written in every feature of his countece.
8. Lucian, How To Write History, 2, 16 (2nd cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

9. Epigraphy, Cil, 4.7201



Subjects of this text:

subject book bibliographic info
abbreviations' Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
africa Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
arrian Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3, 5
athens Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 61
atticus Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3
augustine, st, city of god Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
barbarians Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
catulus Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 15
church Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
cicero, de oratore Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
cicero Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3, 5, 15, 61
de oratore (cicero) Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
description (demonstratio) Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
dido, in pompeian graffiti Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
dionysius of halicarnassus Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3
ekphrasis Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22, 120
emotions Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
enargeia Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
god Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
herodotus Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5
julius caesar Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 15
livy Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 15, 61
lucceius Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3, 61
lucian Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5
lucidity Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
marcus antonius (orator) Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3
oratio gravis Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
orosius, and augustine Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
paganism Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
panegyric Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
pansa, cuspius, in pompeian graffiti Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
parthian war Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5
pathos Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
pliny the younger Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5
pompeian graffiti, abbreviated words in Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
pompeian graffiti, election notices in Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
pupius piso calpurnianus Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 61
quintilian Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
refoundation, sack (410) Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
rhetorica ad herrenium Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 120
sallust Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3, 15
sicily Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
strabo Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 3
terracina, election notice from Johnson and Parker, ?Ancient Literacies: The Culture of Reading in Greece and Rome (2009) 297
thucydides Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5
universal history Van Nuffelen, Orosius and the Rhetoric of History (2012) 22
xenophon Baumann and Liotsakis, Reading History in the Roman Empire (2022) 5