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Cicero, De Oratore, 1.62


Neque enim si Philonem illum architectum, qui Atheniensibus armamentarium fecit, constat perdiserte populo rationem operis sui reddidisse, existimandum est architecti potius artificio disertum quam oratoris fuisse; nec, si huic M. Antonio pro Hermodoro fuisset de navalium opere dicendum, non, cum ab illo causam didicisset, ipse ornate de alieno artificio copioseque dixisset; neque vero Asclepiades, is quo nos medico amicoque usi sumus tum eloquentia vincebat ceteros medicos, in eo ipso, quod ornate dicebat, medicinae facultate utebatur, non eloquentiae.Nor, if, as is said, Philo, the famous architect, who built an arsenal for the Athenians, gave that people an eloquent account of his work, is it to be imagined that his eloquence proceeded from the art of the architect, but from that of the orator. Or, if our friend Marcus Antonius had had to speak for Hermodorus on the subject of dock- building, he would have spoken, when he had learned the case from Hermodorus, with elegance and copiousness, drawn, from an art quite unconnected with dock-building. And Asclepiades, whom we knew as a physician and a friend, did not, when he excelled others of his profession in eloquence, employ, in his graceful elocution, the art of physic, but that of oratory.


Intertexts (texts cited often on the same page as the searched text):

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1. Plato, Gorgias, None (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

456a. Gorg. So whenever there is an election of such persons as you were referring to, Socrates, you see it is the orators who give the advice and get resolutions carried in these matters. Soc. That is just what surprises me, Gorgias, and has made me ask you all this time what in the world the power of rhetoric can be. For, viewed in this light, its greatness comes over me as something supernatural. Gorg. Ah yes, if you knew all, Socrates,—how it comprises in itself practically all powers at once!
2. Demosthenes, Orations, 3.33, 18.324, 19.255, 25.95 (4th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

3. Cicero, On Fate, 29, 15 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

4. Cicero, De Oratore, 2.63, 3.152 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

2.63. Haec scilicet fundamenta nota sunt omnibus, ipsa autem exaedificatio posita est in rebus et verbis: rerum ratio ordinem temporum desiderat, regionum descriptionem; vult etiam, quoniam in rebus magnis memoriaque dignis consilia primum, deinde acta, postea eventus exspectentur, et de consiliis significari quid scriptor probet et in rebus gestis declarari non solum quid actum aut dictum sit, sed etiam quo modo, et cum de eventu dicatur, ut causae explicentur omnes vel casus vel sapientiae vel temeritatis hominumque ipsorum non solum res gestae, sed etiam, qui fama ac nomine excellant, de cuiusque vita atque natura; 3.152. Sed quid ipse aedificet orator et in quo adiungat artem, id esse nobis quaerendum atque explicandum videtur. Tria sunt igitur in verbo simplici, quae orator adferat ad inlustrandam atque exordam orationem: aut inusitatum verbum aut novatum aut translatum.
5. Cicero, Republic, 1.62-1.63, 5.2 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

1.62. Et Scipio: Tum magis adsentiare, Laeli, si, ut omittam similitudines, uni gubernatori, uni medico, si digni modo sint iis artibus, rectius esse alteri navem committere, aegrum alteri quam multis, ad maiora pervenero. L. Quaenam ista sunt? S. Quid? tu non vides unius inportunitate et superbia Tarquinii nomen huic populo in odium venisse regium? L. Video vero, inquit. S. Ergo etiam illud vides, de quo progrediente oratione plura me dicturum puto, Tarquinio exacto mira quadam exultasse populum insolentia libertatis; tum exacti in exilium innocentes, tum bona direpta multorum, tum annui consules, tum demissi populo fasces, tum provocationes omnium rerum, tum secessiones plebei, tum prorsus ita acta pleraque, ut in populo essent omnia. L. Est, inquit, ut dicis. 1.63. Est vero, inquit Scipio, in pace et otio; licet enim lascivire, dum nihil metuas, ut in navi ac saepe etiam in morbo levi. Sed ut ille, qui navigat, cum subito mare coepit horrescere, et ille aeger ingravescente morbo unius opem inplorat, sic noster populus in pace et domi imperat et ipsis magistratibus minatur, recusat, appellat, provocat, in bello sic paret ut regi; valet enim salus plus quam libido. Gravioribus vero bellis etiam sine collega omne imperium nostri penes singulos esse voluerunt, quorum ipsum nomen vim suae potestatis indicat. Nam dictator quidem ab eo appellatur, quia dicitur, sed in nostris libris vides eum, Laeli, magistrum populi appellari. L. Video, inquit. Et Scipio: Sapienter igitur illi vete res
6. Vitruvius Pollio, On Architecture, 1.1.5, 1.1.11, 1.1.18 (1st cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

7. Pliny The Elder, Natural History, 26.18, 26.20 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)



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architect Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
architecture, ars multiplex Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 139
architecture, embodied by ideal practitioner Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
architecture, in quarrel between rhetoric and philosophy Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
asclepiades of bithynia Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
auctoritas Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
body Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
crassus lucius licinius crassus, interlocutor in de oratore Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
de architectura, universalizing Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138
doctors, attitudes towards Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
empeiria Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138
episteme Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138
hermodorus Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
hippocrates Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 139
medical imagery, and auctoritas Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
medical imagery, in greek literature Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
medical imagery, in roman oratory Walters, Imagery of the Body Politic in Ciceronian Rome (2020) 34
medicine, in quarrel between rhetoric and philosophy Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
omniscience and omnicompetence Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
oratory, c, subject analogous to architecture Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 139
oratory, c Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
plato Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
public and private Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
pytheos, quarrel of rhetoric and philosophy Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
rationem redde rerender account Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 139
rhetoric, encroaches on other disciplines Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138
rhetoric Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
socrates Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139
technicity' Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138
technicity Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 139
vitruvius, knowledge and education Oksanish, Vitruvian Man: Rome Under Construction (2019) 138, 139