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Cicero, Brutus, 24


praeclare, inquam, Brute, dicis eoque magis ista dicendi laude delector quod cetera, quae sunt quon- dam habita in civitate pulcherrima pulcherrime FOG , nemo est tam humilis qui se non aut posse adipisci aut adeptum putet; eloquentem neminem video factum esse victoria. Sed quo facilius sermo explicetur, sedentes, si videtur, agamus. Cum idem placuisset illis, tum in pratulo propter Platonis statuam con- sedimus.Your remark," said I, "is very just; and I have a higher opinion of the merit of eloquence, because, though there is scarcely any person so diffident as not to persuade himself, that he either has, or may acquire every other accomplishment which, formerly, could have given him consequence in the State; I can find no person who has been made an orator by the success of his military prowess.- But that we may carry on the conversation with greater ease, let us seat ourselves."As my visitors had no objection to this, we accordingly took our seats in a private lawn, near a statue of Plato.


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1. Aristophanes, Frogs, 804 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)

804. ἔβλεψε γοῦν ταυρηδὸν ἐγκύψας κάτω.
2. Cicero, Brutus, 120 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

120. quo magis tuum, Brute, iudicium probo, qui eorum [id est ex vetere Academia id est ... Academia secl. Lambinus ] philosophorum sectam secutus es, quorum in doctrina atque praeceptis disserendi ratio coniungitur cum suavitate dicendi et copia; quamquam ea ipsa Peripateticorum Academicorumque consuetudo in ratione cons. ratione Kayser dicendi docendi Martha talis est ut nec perficere oratorem possit ipsa per sese nec sine ea orator esse perfectus. Nam ut Stoicorum astrictior est oratio aliquantoque contractior quam aures populi requirunt, sic illorum liberior et latior quam patitur consuetudo iudiciorum et fori. Quis enim uberior in dicendo Platone?
3. Cicero, Brutus, 24, 120 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

120. quo magis tuum, Brute, iudicium probo, qui eorum [id est ex vetere Academia id est ... Academia secl. Lambinus ] philosophorum sectam secutus es, quorum in doctrina atque praeceptis disserendi ratio coniungitur cum suavitate dicendi et copia; quamquam ea ipsa Peripateticorum Academicorumque consuetudo in ratione cons. ratione Kayser dicendi docendi Martha talis est ut nec perficere oratorem possit ipsa per sese nec sine ea orator esse perfectus. Nam ut Stoicorum astrictior est oratio aliquantoque contractior quam aures populi requirunt, sic illorum liberior et latior quam patitur consuetudo iudiciorum et fori. Quis enim uberior in dicendo Platone?
4. Cicero, On Duties, 1.4 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

1.4. Equidem et Platonem existimo, si genus forense dicendi tractare voluisset, gravissime et copiosissime potuisse dicere, et Demosthenem, si illa, quae a Platone didicerat, tenuisset et pronuntiare voluisset, ornate splendideque facere potuisse; eodemque modo de Aristotele et Isocrate iudico, quorum uterque suo studio delectatus contempsit alterum. Sed cum statuissem scribere ad te aliquid hoc tempore, multa posthac, ab eo ordiri maxime volui, quod et aetati tuae esset aptissimum et auctoritati meae. Nam cum multa sint in philosophia et gravia et utilia accurate copioseque a philosophis disputata, latissime patere videntur ea, quae de officiis tradita ab illis et praecepta sunt. Nulla enim vitae pars neque publicis neque privatis neque forensibus neque domesticis in rebus, neque si tecum agas quid, neque si cum altero contrahas, vacare officio potest, in eoque et colendo sita vitae est honestas omnis et neglegendo turpitude.
5. Cicero, De Oratore, 1.46-1.47 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

1.46. multi erant praeterea clari in philosophia et nobiles, a quibus omnibus una paene voce repelli oratorem a gubernaculis civitatum, excludi ab omni doctrina rerumque maiorum scientia ac tantum in iudicia et contiunculas tamquam in aliquod pistrinum detrudi et compingi videbam; 1.47. sed ego neque illis adsentiebar neque harum disputationum inventori et principi longe omnium in dicendo gravissimo et eloquentissimo, Platoni, cuius tum Athenis cum Charmada diligentius legi Gorgiam; quo in libro in hoc maxime admirabar Platonem, quod mihi in oratoribus inridendis ipse esse orator summus videbatur. Verbi enim controversia iam diu torquet Graeculos homines contentionis cupidiores quam veritatis.
6. Cicero, Letters, 1.6, 1.9, 4.10.1 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

7. Cicero, Letters, 1.6, 1.9, 4.10.1 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

8. Cicero, Letters, 1.6, 1.9, 4.10.1 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

9. Cicero, Letters To His Friends, 7.23 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

10. Cicero, Letters, 1.6, 1.9, 4.10.1 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

11. Cicero, Letters To Quintus, 3.1.14 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

12. Cicero, Orator, 12, 110 (2nd cent. BCE - 1st cent. BCE)

13. Juvenal, Satires, 2.4-2.5 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

14. Pliny The Elder, Natural History, 35.9 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

15. Seneca The Younger, Letters, 64.9-64.10 (1st cent. CE - 1st cent. CE)

16. Suetonius, Tiberius, 70.2 (1st cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

17. Cassius Dio, Roman History, 59.5 (2nd cent. CE - 3rd cent. CE)

59.5. 1.  This was the kind of emperor into whose hands the Romans were then delivered. Hence the deeds of Tiberius, though they were felt to have been very harsh, were nevertheless as far superior to those of Gaius as the deeds of Augustus were to those of his successor.,2.  For Tiberius always kept the power in his own hands and used others as agents for carrying out his wishes; whereas Gaius was ruled by the charioteers and gladiators, and was the slave of the actors and others connected with the stage. Indeed, he always kept Apelles, the most famous of the tragedians of that day, with him even in public.,3.  Thus he by himself and they by themselves did without let or hindrance all that such persons would naturally dare to do when given power. Everything that pertained to their art he arranged and settled on the slightest pretext in the most lavish manner, and he compelled the praetors and the consuls to do the same, so that almost every day some performance of the kind was sure to be given.,4.  At first he was but a spectator and listener at these and would take sides for or against various performers like one of the crowd; and one time, when he was vexed with those of opposing tastes, he did not go to the spectacle. But as time went on, he came to imitate, and to contend in many events,,5.  driving chariots, fighting as a gladiator, giving exhibitions of pantomimic dancing, and acting in tragedy. So much for his regular behaviour. And once he sent an urgent summons at night to the leading men of the senate, as if for some important deliberation, and then danced before them.  
18. Pausanias, Description of Greece, 1.29.15 (2nd cent. CE - 2nd cent. CE)

1.29.15. Here also are buried Conon and Timotheus, father and son, the second pair thus related to accomplish illustrious deeds, Miltiades and Cimon being the first; Zeno too, the son of Mnaseas and Chrysippus Stoic philosophers. of Soli, Nicias the son of Nicomedes, the best painter from life of all his contemporaries, Harmodius and Aristogeiton, who killed Hipparchus, the son of Peisistratus; there are also two orators, Ephialtes, who was chiefly responsible for the abolition of the privileges of the Areopagus 463-1 B.C., and Lycurgus, A contemporary of Demosthenes. the son of Lycophron;


Subjects of this text:

subject book bibliographic info
academy Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
beauty Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
brutus Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
isocrates Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
philosophy (as a discipline) Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
plato Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92
rhetoric' Atkins, The Cambridge Companion to Cicero's Philosophy (2021) 92