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Aeschines, Or., 2.74-2.78
nan Such was the situation of the city, such the circumstances under which the debate on the peace took place. But the popular speakers arose and with one consent ignored the question of the safety of the state, but called on you to gaze at the Propylaea of the Acropolis, and remember the battle of , Salamis , and the tombs and trophies of our forefathers.
nan I replied that we must indeed remember all these, but must imitate the wisdom of our forefathers, and beware of their mistakes and their unseasonable jealousies; I urged that we should emulate the battle that we fought at Plataea , the struggles off the shores of Salamis , the battles of Marathon and Artemisium , and the generalship of Tolmides, who with a thousand picked men of the Athenians fearlessly marched straight through the Peloponnesus , the enemy's country.
nan But I urged that we should take warning from the Sicilian expedition, which was sent out to help the people of Leontini, at a time when the enemy were already in our own territory and Deceleia was fortified against us; and that final act of folly, when, outmatched in the war, and offered terms of peace by the Lacedaemonians, with the agreement that we should hold not only Attica , but Lemnos , Imbros, and Scyros also, and retain the constitutional democracy, the people would have none of it, but chose to go on with a war that was beyond their powers. And Cleophon, the lyre-maker, whom many remembered as a slave in fetters, who had dishonourably and fraudulently got himself enrolled as a citizen, and had corrupted the people by distribution of money, threatened to take his knife and slit the throat of any man who should make mention of peace.
nan Finally they brought the city to such a pass that she was glad to make peace, giving up everything, tearing down her walls, receiving a garrison and a Lacedaemonian governor, and surrendering the democracy to the Thirty, who put fifteen hundred citizens to death without a trial. I admit that I urged that we should guard against such folly as that, and imitate the conduct shortly before described. For it was from no stranger that I heard that story, but from him who is nearest of all men to me.
nan for Atrometus our father, whom you slander, though you do not know him and never saw what a man he was in his prime—you, Demosthenes, a descendant through your mother of the nomad Scythians—our father went into exile in the time of the Thirty, and later helped to restore the democracy; while our mother's brother, our uncle Cleobulus, the son of Glaucus of the deme Acharnae, was with Demaenetus of the family of the Buzygae, when he won the naval victory over Cheilon the Lacedaemonian admiral. The sufferings of the city were therefore a household word with us, familiar to my ears.

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1. Thucydides, The History of The Peloponnesian War, 2.36.1-2.36.3, 6.18.2 (5th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE) 2.36.1. I shall begin with our ancestors: it is both just and proper that they should have the honor of the first mention on an occasion like the present. They dwelt in the country without break in the succession from generation to generation, and handed it down free to the present time by their valor. 2.36.2. And if our more remote ancestors deserve praise, much more do our own fathers, who added to their inheritance the empire which we now possess, and spared no pains to be able to leave their acquisitions to us of the present generation. 2.36.3. Lastly, there are few parts of our dominions that have not been augmented by those of us here, who are still more or less in the vigor of life; while the mother country has been furnished by us with everything that can enable her to depend on her own resources whether for war or for peace. 6.18.2. It is thus that empire has been won, both by us and by all others that have held it, by a constant readiness to support all, whether barbarians or Hellenes, that invite assistance; since if all were to keep quiet or to pick and choose whom they ought to assist, we should make but few new conquests, and should imperil those we have already won. Men do not rest content with parrying the attacks of a superior, but often strike the first blow to prevent the attack being made.
2. Aeschines, Letters, 2.74-2.78, 3.191 (4th cent. BCE - 4th cent. BCE)
3. Aeschines, Or., 2.75-2.78
4. Demosthenes, Orations, 1.8-1.9, 2.24, 19.16, 19.168-19.171, 19.248, 19.250, 19.252-19.253

Subjects of this text:

subject	book bibliographic info
advantage	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
aeschines	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 16
alignment strategies	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
ancestors,athenian,defeating persians	Martin (2009), Divine Talk: Religious Argumentation in Demosthenes, 52
assembly,discursive parameters	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
assembly,historical allusions	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
athenian ancestors	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 16
athenian democracy	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
common knowledge	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
community,civic	Martin (2009), Divine Talk: Religious Argumentation in Demosthenes, 52
dramatic festivals,discursive parameters	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 16
elite,ideological agency	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
exemplum/exempla	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
family defence	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 48
family tradition	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 48
guest friendship'	Martin (2009), Divine Talk: Religious Argumentation in Demosthenes, 52
historical knowledge in classical athens	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
historicisation	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
imperialism,athenian empire	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
lawcourts,athenian	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
mass,ideological agency	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
myth,athenians knowledge of	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 48
orator,role in ideological practice	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
orator,use of the past	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 71
oratory,attic	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
relevance)	Marincola et al. (2021), Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones and Calum Maciver, Greek Notions of the Past in the Archaic and Classical Eras: History Without Historians, 224
social memory,and institutions	Barbato (2020), The Ideology of Democratic Athens: Institutions, Orators and the Mythical Past, 16